Wire fans will see us has a big game because they have never had a real derby since widnes went down

Wire to us will always be the second game behind saints the banter will be worse cause lets face it wire fans wish they could have what all us lot have had over the years

Brains aren't everything. In fact, in your case they're nothing!

Yed come on talking rugby here no need to stoop low unless you dont have anything to say about my comments?

Do you wish you had what us wigan fans have?

Another question for you (i dont know the answer) how many players in your squad have come through the wire ranks?

Depending on who loses this Friday (and scoreline) Saints could be:
a) above Wigan, or
b) a mammoth 1 point behind Wire.

I wouldn't write us off as no-hopers in the league table just yet.

I appreciate that we could lose to Bradford and fall further behind too, by the way

I'd suggest that most RL speccies consider the CC the second objective, clearly behind winning the grand final. Warrington, whilst taking the cup, have dissapointed at the play off stage, finishing officially 6th in the order last year?

Do i wish we'd had your money in the 80's ? yes

Ben Harrison, Riley, Cooper, Evans, Mitchell, Blythe, McCarthy, Williams
that have currently played first team BUT i take umbrage with the whole pro clubs 'making' kids thing

I played at Parkside, players like Danny Tickle, Mike Bennett, John Stankovich, Chris Perceival (RIP) came from here and were coached by the coaches here, NOT Wigan or Saints or Widnes.
They just turn up one day get them to sign a contract and say 'hey look what we have produced'. No credit ever seems to go to the amateur clubs for producing these kids.

I disagree with you on the amateur part here we have st pats,st judes,st cuthberts and rose bridge these clubs cant offer up and coming players what a pro team can

I know for a fact someone from wigan is coaching a st pats team bringing players through there so you can look at it 2 ways, kids these days are getting signed at like 10-11 years old it was totally diffrent 10 years ago

Most kids start off at 8 and the good ones are signed minimum 5 years later how can i pro club take credit for that ?

Most players it's natural talent

Ok they start at 8 play untill they are 13 and then a club sign them, what about all the training they offer them? the wages? the schooling?

So you want an amateur club to take credit for the kid training once twice a week and playing on a sunday over a team taking them on for 5 years training them everyday for 5-6 years?

Kids learn basic rugby when they start out playing if they get signed by a pro club they get alot faster,stronger and learn a hell of a lot more about the game then what they would without them

Do you think Saints will finish above Wigan and/or Wire at the end of the season?

Yes i don't doubt that clubs help develop players, that is obvious, but if it's natural talent then the club can't take credit for that, they can't take credit for 'finding' a stand out player in a local amateur club.
I could go to any under 13's club a point at a player and go, 'he's the best player in the side'

Would Andy Farrell been any less of a player if he'd gone to play for Salford/Warrington/Widnes/Leigh academy ?

As a teenager I'd say no, therefore the pro clubs can't take credit for it.
Yes a club can take a player up a few levels but that comes with time.

We were meant to bow down to the almighty Wire last year (and Hull, Huddersfield, Hull KR etc etc after getting bashed by Hull), didn't quite pan out like that though, did it?

Saints haven't been out of the top2 for a fair old time and it's too early to start writing obituaries yet.