I think we would have scored on the set of six had Joel not put the shot in.

I just couldn't see it Matt today , So frustrating watching silly errors and running out of idea s ,to much 1 man rugby all the time , Carmonts be awesome in previous games and nothing was going to him or opp side apart from when we scored when we could of done that all game with our winger s

You'd imagine the Hull fans would be saying the same thing about our winning penalty. He hadn't penalised that all afternoon and then pulled a 'not clearing the ruck' penalty out of the Ganson book of maddening decisions (the same one he used to penalise them 30s earlier with). I'm not complaining mind

Im going to send a text to another poster on here which will show the initial contact. Joels arm was down carrying ball and only came up on the follow through AFTER tackler fell off the tackle through momentum.

I'm with previous poster, Joel lifted us today and gave us some agression out there when we were being bullied.

See initial contact picture and then tell me his elbow/forearm lifted before or after contact

Your bang on.

Point of impact.

well there's an eye opener. don't suppose the vid could be posted on a certain video-sharing tubular website?

I suppose so. Give me ten minutes.

Is a red card an automatic ban? Or will it go to the appeals committee?

At the time it looked to me like he just bumped him off THEN his arm raised.

It really wasn't a very bright idea to pass it to Joel just after the fight but neither him not Yeaman should have been on the pitch at that point. Both in the bin.



It could have cost is the game and we need to be able to cope better with teams that resort to niggling tactics even when the ref loses it as Ganson did today. I thought we let the niggling get to us big time and with Joel it boiled over. No complaints about him being sent off but I'd love to know if Wigan dare plead mitigation in that if the ref had been any good it would probably never have happened!

Late hit on Whiting by Lima which to be fair to our rotund scouse friend probably was the right call

Joel lifted us, at full speed you probably couldnt argue with the red card, but Ganson certainly enjoyed showing it to him, strange how it never looked like being shown to Manu.

Joel needs to grow up fast..Ganson needs to lose weight and retire as his years of being a top ref are well behind him.

Think ya need to take the rose tinted glasses off regarding your beloved sam tomkins spoilt little xxxx according to you fans and the ref and i mean ganson not sam when i say ref hes not allowed to be tackled not allowed to touch him poor little sam cracking player if he could just stick to playing the game total diva as for joel protecting haha

Looking at the game as a whole Hull are nothing short of a dirty side. How many warnings do you give for foul play in a game. Ganson lost control way too many times and let players use some nasty tactics before reaching for a card. As for Joel i do think hes going to get a ban but its time for the management of the club to question Ganson's ability to ref a game with the authorities as that was the worst performance ive seen in a while.