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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: Dave26 "Please read my posts in this thread and tell me where I've said the magic weekend should be scrapped?!
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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: MattyB "It's a vicious circle really, you decided not to bother going to the game as you heard poor reports from last season and by doing that you ensured that one seat at the millenium stadium was empty. Now think that there could be 30,000 other Rugby League fans who thought the same as you, which made what would have been a 3/4 full stadium and a complete success instead a 3/4 empty stadium and a pretty poor showing again.

What the RFL need to work hard at is persuading you (and the other 29,999) like you to get to the game despite the negative reports of this and the last few years.

I'm not sure if the RFL can turn it around, which is a shame really.'"


The reason the RFL can't turn it round now is because of the fans negativity which stemmed from the decision to take the event to Murrayfield.

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: MattyB "What the RFL need to work hard at is persuading you (and the other 29,999) like you to get to the game despite the negative reports of this and the last few years.'"
I'm struggling to find any negative reports from people who actually went, other than a couple from fans who went solely for their club's matches and were left annoyed by poor performances. Everyone I have spoken to and virtually on the forum absolutely loved the event. Myself included.

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Quote: MattyB "It's a vicious circle really, you decided not to bother going to the game as you heard poor reports from last season and by doing that you ensured that one seat at the millenium stadium was empty. Now think that there could be 30,000 other Rugby League fans who thought the same as you, which made what would have been a 3/4 full stadium and a complete success instead a 3/4 empty stadium and a pretty poor showing again.

What the RFL need to work hard at is persuading you (and the other 29,999) like you to get to the game despite the negative reports of this and the last few years.

I'm not sure if the RFL can turn it around, which is a shame really.'"


I didnt decide to go because of the poor reports to be honest Matty. I'd probably give it a go if I could afford it, theres just too many more things in RL that im more interested in going to. I'd rather spend my money on a trip to Catalan and the rest of the away games that dont take up so much time and money overall. If the event was closer to home and just £12.50 a ticket wild horses couldnt keep me away, I worked till 12pm on Saturday also.

I just dont have the luxory of being able to afford a day/weekend at Cardiff aswell as saving up for a trip to Catalan, most away matches, both finals (i usually go despite who's playing) along with paying for my nephew aswell and my lad turns 3 in March so going to start bringing him to a few matches.

Maybe a better thing for the RFL to do would be to hold it closer to the heartlands of Rugby League, because lets face it, we're going nowhere fast in Cardiff & Scotland, the locals just dont care.

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I also dont get this looking down on other fans because they dont go to every single game and every single event, its just snobbery.

People have different lifestyles and other things going on in their lives, RL is not the be all and end all.

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Quote: post "Play it at Man Citys ground (Open air bars outside stadium)
Brand it as Manchester Magic
Have it in April/May on a Bank Holiday weekend
Have a trophy/prize for best performance and best try and award it at end of the last game.
If the numbers are looking low say by 10,000 capacity give 5,000 tickets away to local school kids or sell them £1 a piece to the schools in the area.
Have bands/pop acts in and around the stadium aswell as beer tents/bars and comedy tents and make it something people want to go to like a festival.'"


i like that........make it a festival.........at COM or OT at end of footy season..when its a bit warmer.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: headhunter "I'm struggling to find any negative reports from people who actually went, other than a couple from fans who went solely for their club's matches and were left annoyed by poor performances. Everyone I have spoken to and virtually on the forum absolutely loved the event. Myself included.'"


I share your views completely.

I am certain that most people complaining about empty seats etc. were sat at home watching on tv.

With all 14 teams playing and everyone on here claiming to LOVE RL, we shouldn't be able to get tickets. Rugby League fans are pathetic, how often do we listen to people on here saying RU is crap RL is the greatest game of all and yet they don't attend. I have been to 4 magic weekends only missing the first one and I have loved every single one.

I challenge any true rugby league fan to attend and not enjoy themselves.

I am sick of the RFL as much as anyone over some of the decisions they make but when it comes to this weekend they got everything right and still people sit at home and complain.

What exactly do the people who were sat at home complaing want?

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Things to do for next season:

Move the event to May Bank Holiday, allows people to stay for the weekend without having to book time off work. In addition you would hope it would be warmer and giving that Accomodation in the near vicinity of Cardiff is scarce and pricey, then May would allow people to stay via other methods such as local campsites.

I would increase all SL Clubs Season Tickets by £5, with the MM event becoming included in the price of your season tickets.

Greater incentives for Group Travellers such as subsidised travel and accomodation.

Beer Tents & BBQ's with reasonable prices.
Complimentary goodies for kids inside the stadium (flags, drinks...etc).
Free tickets to Cardiff (and other South Wales) kids, school groups, rugby clubs..etc.

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I don't think i'd like it closer to home, purely because if it was in Manchester there isn't that many people gonna go for the weekend like myself. Trying different venues is a good idea though, myself personally i'd like to try Newcastle.

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Quote: Odemwingie "The reason the RFL can't turn it round now is because of the fans negativity which stemmed from the decision to take the event to Murrayfield.'"



That was a stupid idea agreed. (It also didn't help we played Huddersfield, not Saints).
It would be a bit like having the Grand Final at Old Trafford from 1998 to 1992 and then moving it to Newcastle in 1993 before switching it back. If there's one thing we've learned is that RL fans don't like change.

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: MattyB "Things to do for next seasonI don't think they could have given away more free tat inside the stadium if they had tried. The ball boys were juniors from Neath-Port Talbot Steelers and I think Bridgend Blue Bulls too. It's hardly realistic to expect the RFL to subsidise your travel costs, and the ticket prices were dirt cheap anyway for what was on offer.

The only valid point there would be moving it back to May. But when it was previously held in May the stay-at-home moaners were clamouring for a big event to start the season. I guess that's what the RFL get for listening to such idiots.

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Quote: Odemwingie "I share your views completely.

I am certain that most people complaining about empty seats etc. were sat at home watching on tv.

With all 14 teams playing and everyone on here claiming to LOVE RL, we shouldn't be able to get tickets. Rugby League fans are pathetic, how often do we listen to people on here saying RU is crap RL is the greatest game of all and yet they don't attend. I have been to 4 magic weekends only missing the first one and I have loved every single one.

I challenge any true rugby league fan to attend and not enjoy themselves.

I am sick of the RFL as much as anyone over some of the decisions they make but when it comes to this weekend they got everything right and still people sit at home and complain.

What exactly do the people who were sat at home complaing want?'"


there lies your answer..........SITTING AT HOME WATCHING ON TV

choice...........fork out a small fortune that you can hardly afford, or watch on telly and save your money for other games??

im with Barry Mac, whos post magic weekends made Eddie choke.........he said people couldnt be expected to dig into their pockets to travel to south wales....he said have it in the north west.................which imo is a cracking idea.

heres another..........start the season with a bang.......all games played over 2 days, IN THE NORTH WEST..........1 stadium saturday, 1 sunday........all games televised.
more chance of getting the big stadiums if they ony have 3 or 4 games played.

as an aside............crowds were sparce, mostly die hard rugby leage fand from the north west.............how many WELSH FANS??????????????............not many.
proves wales dont deserve the attention ..........either move it north, or scrap it

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Quote: 19 Leagues "I didnt decide to go because of the poor reports to be honest Matty. I'd probably give it a go if I could afford it, theres just too many more things in RL that im more interested in going to. I'd rather spend my money on a trip to Catalan and the rest of the away games that dont take up so much time and money overall. If the event was closer to home and just £12.50 a ticket wild horses couldnt keep me away, I worked till 12pm on Saturday also.

I just dont have the luxory of being able to afford a day/weekend at Cardiff aswell as saving up for a trip to Catalan, most away matches, both finals (i usually go despite who's playing) along with paying for my nephew aswell and my lad turns 3 in March so going to start bringing him to a few matches.

Maybe a better thing for the RFL to do would be to hold it closer to the heartlands of Rugby League, because lets face it, we're going nowhere fast in Cardiff & Scotland, the locals just dont care.'"


I fully understand, I have kids too and make sacrifices during the season where I have too, normally Sunday away games over in Yorkshire. In addition I have yet to see Wigan in France, simply cannot afford the weekend away (still hoping one year we will play in the kids summer holidays, thus allowing me to build a two weeks France holiday around the game)!! I didn't go to Murrayfield last season, due to the fact it was Huddersfield not Saints so decided to watch it on SKY, moving it to Murrayfield last season, plus having fixtures pulled out of a hat was a disaster).

In addition, this years mistake for me was having it in February not the May Bank Holiday weekend.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: MattyB "That was a stupid idea agreed. (It also didn't help we played Huddersfield, not Saints).
It would be a bit like having the Grand Final at Old Trafford from 1998 to 1992 and then moving it to Newcastle in 1993 before switching it back. If there's one thing we've learned is that RL fans don't like change.'"


Good point about season tickets, I said that before but got laughed at.

I also think some sort of reward should be given to thhe club who sells the most tickets, if we were going to be really radical the why not a extra point in the table? Probably a bit too radical but you see what I'm getting at.

Rugby League fans don't like change and I would keep the event in Cardiff and keep trying to develop RL in that area.

Give free tickets away for fun within Wales especially at schools, colleges and rugby clubs! Also there is a huge univercity, free tickets for all students. The RFL won't be losing out by doing this because these are just extra fans to spread the game.

The RFL already give a free ticket for the first round of the challenge cup, why not just do it for the magic weekend!

I am not willing to give up on the conept, it is the best the RFL have ever come up with and it would be one of the greatest events in british and maybe even world sport if the stadium was full.

I am just praying RU don't copy and make it more succesful.

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Quote: headhunter "I wasn't referring to you as such. Just people in general who have criticised the idea without trying it.'"

Fair enough, although quoting my post would suggest othewise. I can see why those who attended get frustrated with those slagging it off. I really enjoyed it last year, and the fact we can have 14 sets of supporters together with no issues should be celebrated. But as I said before, I think we need to step back and see what the aim is. If it's for fans then play it a football ground in the north (after the football season), if the aim is expansion then that's good, aa a sport we need to look ahead. But market the thing to death, give thousands of tickets to schools/local teams and make sure that the biggest rugby union competition of the year isn't on at the same time.

I know people claim that "real fans" will travel, but compare home games to away games and you can see that the closer a game is the more will attend. However this also shows that comparing attendances to regular weekly rounds is ridiculous and irrelevant. The magic weekend format is a great idea, it shouldn't be considered a failure because x amount don't go, but it should be called a success because y amount do go. I just think it could be adapted to improve it, rather than be written off as a failure. People who are defending it should be less precious, not everyone who didn't go wants to all over the idea icon_wink.gif

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       Championship 2024-R28
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Batley
 Sun 29th Sep
       Championship 2024-R28
15:00
Barrow
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Widnes
15:00
Bradford
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Swinton
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
Doncaster
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Fri 20th Sep
SL
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Hull KR-Leeds
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Sat 21st Sep
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Thu 19th Sep
SL 27 Huddersfield34-10Castleford
SL 27 Wigan64-0Salford
Sun 15th Sep
WSL2024 14 FeatherstoneW6-32York V
WSL2024 14 Hudds W36-0Wire W
CH 26 Barrow34-14Whitehaven
CH 26 Bradford16-14Batley
CH 26 Dewsbury16-28Swinton
CH 26 Doncaster30-14Widnes
CH 26 Featherstone6-20Sheffield
CH 26 Wakefield20-4York
NRL 28 Canterbury22-24Manly
L1 23 Midlands24-22Workington
L1 23 Rochdale30-18Hunslet
Sat 14th Sep
SL 26 Hull FC4-58Salford
SL 26 Catalans12-8LondonB
SL 26 Huddersfield0-66Warrington
CH 26 Toulouse38-18Halifax
NRL 28 Melbourne37-10Cronulla
NRL 28 NQL Cowboys28-16Newcastle
Fri 13th Sep
SL 26 Leigh0-24Hull KR
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 27 721 336 385 44
Hull KR 26 693 311 382 40
Warrington 26 684 319 365 38
Salford 27 550 547 3 32
St.Helens 26 584 370 214 30
Leigh 26 548 386 162 29
 
Leeds 26 514 462 52 28
Catalans 26 451 423 28 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
LondonB 26 317 862 -545 6
Hull FC 26 324 870 -546 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 24 892 256 636 46
Bradford 24 618 373 245 32
Toulouse 23 662 340 322 31
Sheffield 24 594 472 122 28
Widnes 24 513 433 80 27
York 25 613 439 174 26
 
Featherstone 24 566 472 94 26
Doncaster 24 470 527 -57 23
Batley 24 378 513 -135 20
Halifax 24 475 617 -142 20
Barrow 23 418 648 -230 19
Swinton 24 446 606 -160 18
Whitehaven 24 414 806 -392 16
Dewsbury 25 308 821 -513 2
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