Everybody deserves a fair crack of the whip this season under a new regime, but beyond that with so many players off contract, it will force players who perhaps are thought to be under performing to buck up there ideas.

Hopefully we'll see under this new regime a willingness to drop players and change the team from week to week, because of both poor performances from individuals as well as changing the team to suit are own needs for defeating different opponents, rather than going with the same team each week come rain or shine.

I'm trying to think of players who were in the first team when Noble arrived that have considerably improved under his coaching and guidance, and I honestly can't think of one player who has. Perhaps under this new regime we'll see current first team players add to there game's elements that have been missing to take them and the team to that next level, the team's performance will only rise and improve when individuals performance's rise and improve.

I think this is true. I think its a clean slate for the lot of them and that includes two who I think consistently under-performed, Riddle and Roberts.

Should they have done better than the less experienced players? Yes in my opinion but it's water under the bridge now. The same should apply to Goulding etc.

I don't think there should be any player under any more pressure to deliver than any other player including those two along with Hansen, J Tomkins and Goulding. They all have to respond to the new regime, fit in with it and train and play as instructed.

If come the end of next season having all started with a clean slate some players are not delivering or responding to the new regime then we can debate then if they need to go but the key point is no one should be under any more pressure then anyone else to perform.

Put it this way, if they didn't perform under Noble and don't perform under MM then it's most likely the player that isn't good enough not the coaching. I am optimistic enough to believe the vast majority of them will perform better under MM.

Dave

I think it's totally correct that it should and will be a clean slate for everybody. Thats really exciting isn't it because it means that all the teams people are picking could be way wrong come the start of the season.

Who's to say at the start of the year Pryce, Ainscough, Mossop etc won't be first team regulars. If they(and others) get their heads down and impress the new man in pre season there is no reason why he won't pick them as starters. He has no loyalty to anybody in this squad which should ensure everybody is fully commited going into the season.

It's a really exciting time at the moment.

Absolutely and yes, the players i mentioned earlier arent on their own but remember (former manager) Mr Noble was not a major fan of Hansen hence the reason H was constantly unhappy at being on the bench every week, and he admittedly got a break of fortune when Gaz Hock got banned and mibbe Joel did too but i repeat.. his place has still got to be won in the side as has Joel who always flatters to decieve for me and i have watched him since his debut (no matter how many fans he has on these boards) as have Darryl and Feka too..

On the Mossop front id say very possibly yes, he's the same, remember he was shipped out to Huddersfield on loan for a reason being that was either Noble wasnt a fan of him and thought there was better to come through or he needed first team regularity! whatever we believe and i did think he was superb in our last 8 to 10 games by the way.
Its going to be interesting how Mr Mcguire dictates as to who his mainstays are going to be but id be willing to bet a shilling that 2 or atleast 1 of the aforementioned players will be getting the toe.
Remember, weve all have our opinions and thats mine

Bob on......

Having just watched the Deacs video I will be interested in the squad numbers for next season....

Very!

It's going to be a good indication of how things are shaping up. Maybe the delay in the new shirts coming out is to give McGuire as much time as he needs before christmas with the squad to decide who should get which numbers.

People are going to want the names and numbers on the backs of their shirts so they have to be released before they go on sale.

From a neutral :

Phelps
Roberts
Gleeson
Carmont
Richards
S. Tomkins
Leuluai

Coley
Riddell
Prescott
J. Tomkins
Bailey / Hansen
O'Loughlin

McIlorum
Hansen / Mossop
Fielden
Palea'aesina

Mossop to get the number 11 shirt for me. He needs first team football week in week out, he has sooo much potential. We've got a gem there

I'd go with

Phelps
Roberts
Gleeson
Carmont
Richards
S. Tomkins
Leuluai
Coley
Riddell
Prescott
J. Tomkins
Hansen
O'Loughlin

Fielden
Feka
McIlorum
Bailey/Mossop

Phelps (needs to sure up his defence if he wants to keep his place(attack brilliant

Roberts - hopefully he'll be more settled this year, looks like a dangerous player when he wants to be, hopes he gets more involved this season

Glees - Class act, hopefully will be even better with a full Wigan Preseason until his belt (would like to see him given the ball with more space)

Carmont - Another class act, hopefully hes had time to sort them nagging injuries out (hope he plays the required amount of games for a further contract)

Pat (k) - Just keep kicking the goals and scoring the tries



Sam - Hope people are too expectant of him, doubt hes gunna be MOS (although I'd love it

) but hes just gotta keep working on his game and performing, would like to see him take more responibility in the kicking game.

Tommy - 7/9/7/9/7/9 Doesnt matter where hes playing hes a game breaker, give him half a game and hes stepped through. Hope he builds on his partnership with young sam and improves his long kicking game.

Coley - Keep up the good work from last year.

Riddell -Must improve on last year tbh, must lead us around the park better

Prescott -Hugely impressed with the rate of improvement in prescott last year when given his chance to start, hope it continues.

Hansen - Very underrated, gets through shed loads of work in defence, needs to put his hand up to take the ball up more though.

Bailey - Again underated IMO, think him and lockers will be the key to our defence structure next season when he regains fitness. Got a got positional sence in defence and can throw a good pass in attack, also dont have a problem with him fillin in at centre tbh

Lockers (c) - Awesome

Macca - Needs to make better decisions at times but a very good talent, seems to play with alot of passion

Feka - Improve his fitness and we know how good he can be.

Fielden - If Wane can find the old passion of Fielden thats inside him(like his performaces at the back end of 08 when he was really fighting for a world cup place), we could be looking at a good prop forward again (not fielden of old though)

Mossop - Outstanding talent IMO it was obviously sam who got everybody talking, but Mossop I thought was outstanding when given the chance last year, Runs in strong in attack and is burtal in defence, superleague look out

Joel, Ainscough, Deacon, Goulding, Pyrce, O'carrol, Farrell, Davies

Alot of depth in this squad.

1) Phelps
2) Ainscough
3) Gleeson
4) Carmont
5) Richards
6) S Tomkins
7) Deacon


Fielden
9) Leuluai
10) Prescott
11) J Tomkins
12) Hansen
13) O'Loughlin (c)

14) McIllorum
15) Coley
16) Feka
17) Mossop

18) Roberts
19) Bailey
20) Riddell
21) Goulding
22) Pryce
23) O'Carroll