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Quote: jonh "While I think LMS is a good player I think he is being a little over hyped, I certainly do not rate him as one of the top Props who qualify for England never mind in SL.

I see a little of the Thorman syndrome in this one, a lad going pretty well from a non heartland area and the press jump all over it. He needs a few good seasons under his belt yet for mine, i think he has not had the impact he had last year.

If it were a choice between LMS and someone like Griffin, at the moment I would have gone for Griffin.'"


I disagree, for me LMS will mature into a superb player he's just a little slower at developing than Burgess or Graham was. I'd go as far as to say he's one of the best athletes we have in the sport and would be a great signing for any club as his best years are still ahead of him. With the right coaching and correct players around him to give him the support he needs his game will come on leaps and bounds.

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Quote: wigan_knight "Wire linked with Graham

i really hope they do sign him. will show everyone once and for all there are teams paying more than the salary cap allows.'"


If wire do manage to sign Graham then it'll stink but fair play to them for doing it and not getting court, I'd be more enraged by the fact that we didn't get him as he fit's the bill of what were looking for down to a tee.

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Quote: LovesToSpooge "If wire do manage to sign Graham then it'll stink but fair play to them for doing it and not getting court, I'd be more enraged by the fact that we didn't get him as he fit's the bill of what were looking for down to a tee.'"


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Quote: wigan_knight "Wire linked with Graham

i really hope they do sign him. will show everyone once and for all there are teams paying more than the salary cap allows.'"


Just out of interest, what do each of the Warrington players earn ?

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Quote: Paul2812 "Just out of interest, what do each of the Warrington players earn ?'"


Although nobody actually knows the in's and out's of what each individual player will earn at his respective club you cannot blame opposition fans for thinking that a side with seasoned professionals like:

Adrian Morley
Garreth Carvell
Louis Anderson
Vinnie Anderson
Lee Briers
Richard Myler
Matt King
Michael Monaghan
Chris Hicks
David Solomona
Ryan Atkins
Mickey Higham

then being linked with another big star like James Graham thinking that not everything is clear cut at Warrington RLFC.

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Quote: Paul2812 "Just out of interest, what do each of the Warrington players earn ?'"


With the likes of King of 200 grand plus, they don't need to earn much.

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He is an 80 minute work horse back row player of top quality, Hansen and Bailey would become surplus to requirements for the balance of the team, there is no way we should ever run with a fully defence orientated back 3 with the players we now have coming through.

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Quote: zx636 "How do we know what his passing skills are like? He never gets the ball off the most over rated centre I have ever seen.'"


He used to have a good passing game as the Roosters signed him as a stand off from Penrith as we were after him at the time to play there also.

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Quote: LovesToSpooge "I disagree, for me LMS will mature into a superb player he's just a little slower at developing than Burgess or Graham was. I'd go as far as to say he's one of the best athletes we have in the sport and would be a great signing for any club as his best years are still ahead of him. With the right coaching and correct players around him to give him the support he needs his game will come on leaps and bounds.'"


I really cannot see him developing into anything other than a support Prop (all be it a good one) in a top team environment.

I have seen nothing in him to suggest he could lead the line like Peacock and Morley do for example, i see him as one of the 2 supporting Props in a balanced front line of line leader 2 supports and younger Prop.

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Quote: jonh "I really cannot see him developing into anything other than a support Prop (all be it a good one) in a top team environment.

I have seen nothing in him to suggest he could lead the line like Peacock and Morley do for example, i see him as one of the 2 supporting Props in a balanced front line of line leader 2 supports and younger Prop.'"


I agree he's not in Peacock or Morley mold of player as he lacks the ability to make barnstorming runs as often as they do.

But if I were to liken him to another player it would probably be Graham due to the fact that like Graham he's a superb athlete taking the ball up more often than most follow props as well as playing more minutes than most props.

What I see LMS turning into is a very dependable consistent prop who has no real weaknesses and has an exceptionally high work rate, very much in the mold of Graham.

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Quote: Renegade "Although nobody actually knows the in's and out's of what each individual player will earn at his respective club you cannot blame opposition fans for thinking that a side with seasoned professionals like

You forget to mention current international players like Chris Bridge & Ben Westwood, aswell as Jon Clarke. All these must be on a wedge too.

I think the RFL should start a live cap, probably reviewed by independant accountants on a monthly basis, to ensure clubs don't breach the cap. When Warrington get caught out, which is inevitable considering the array of 'seasoned professionals' they have, they should hire top notch lawyers to appear on their behalf at RL HQ and get them off on a technicality to avoid serious punishment ie, relegation.

Now that would take the audacity of cheating to a new level, especially if they did it two years running with no intention of staying within the cap after being caught the first time.

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Quote: jonh "I really cannot see him developing into anything other than a support Prop (all be it a good one) in a top team environment.

I have seen nothing in him to suggest he could lead the line like Peacock and Morley do for example, i see him as one of the 2 supporting Props in a balanced front line of line leader 2 supports and younger Prop.'"


Couldn't agree more, LMS is so overrated on here its unreal.

He'd inevitably be a big letdown if he did sign for Wigan given the hype some have given him.

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Quote: Paul2812 "You forget to mention current international players like Chris Bridge & Ben Westwood, aswell as Jon Clarke. All these must be on a wedge too.

I think the RFL should start a live cap, probably reviewed by independant accountants on a monthly basis, to ensure clubs don't breach the cap. When Warrington get caught out, which is inevitable considering the array of 'seasoned professionals' they have, they should hire top notch lawyers to appear on their behalf at RL HQ and get them off on a technicality to avoid serious punishment ie, relegation.

Now that would take the audacity of cheating to a new level, especially if they did it two years running with no intention of staying within the cap after being caught the first time.'"


Nice to see a Wire fan with realistic expectations for the future icon_biggrin.gif

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If Warrington are exceeding the salary cap with this team including the new signings then good luck to them.
I don't know how anyone can think they are the first to do it and get away with it.
With clubs having connections the world over it is so simple to pay a player from an overseas company into a player's bank account, especially if that's overseas.
The money won't come within thousands of miles of the UK never mind club's accounts, the RFL or anyone else here in this country.
What I find quite staggering is that people in the RFL think that this cannot be done and won't be done.
The RFL think the salary cap has financial integrity, poor fools!
IL will pay what he feels Wigan can afford under their current financial situation together with who/what provides value for money.
The club is financially better run now under IL's management than for decades if ever.
I trust him to bring in the players MM needs and sort out the finances the way he thinks fit. Also I have no doubt that things will happen on the player front now MM is in post and he's IL's man.

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Quote: Paul2812 "
I think the RFL should start a live cap, probably reviewed by independant accountants on a monthly basis, to ensure clubs don't breach the cap. When Warrington get caught out, which is inevitable considering the array of 'seasoned professionals' they have, they should hire top notch lawyers to appear on their behalf at RL HQ and get them off on a technicality to avoid serious punishment ie, relegation.

Now that would take the audacity of cheating to a new level, especially if they did it two years running with no intention of staying within the cap after being caught the first time.'"


Wigan didn't actually break the cap. The RFL acknowledged this. What Wigan did to stay under the cap was defer wages, a practice common in the NRL.

What Wigan got done for was finding a way around the cap so were considered to have broken the "spirit of the cap".

Now my little Wire friend, if Wire are technically under the cap - as Wigan were, but have found a way around the cap, as Wigan did, I take it we can count on your support for your club to be thrown out of the league due to them having also broken the spirit of the cap?

Dave

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