Funny all the misnoma's surronding Noble and Wigan

Noble has brought a team boarding on obscurity into a team who on there day can beat any one,

We have played at least 12 home grown players this year most of whome are under 25 ( young players )

any new coach is not going to get new players according to IL so will have the same players to work with yet some like to think another coach with limited if any experiance will get more out of the same set of players.

Wigan threw the ball around and lost games the fans whinged and blamed the coach ! they then went a little more conservative and won some games the fans then blame the coach for negativity of play,


I think we have got not just the most experianced coach in England but one of the best ,yet you all think another person will be the great magician and make wigan throw the ball around and never drop a pass never miss a tackle and win every game we play !




I love Wigan rugby yet at the moment i do not like a lot of the fans that are stood or sat on the terrace with me on match days whinging is the best thing that some people are best at

I am sure that IL has so many applications from people on these forums for the coaching job as they seem to know the magical fomula for this winning team who win with a smile throwing the ball arounfd and not forgetting never lose

Oh yes i forget IL in my opinion acts like a fan with knee jerk reactions not like a owner of the club who looks at a bigger picture of whats best for the team and not just to keep certain other fans onside

This gets to the nub of the play off's as deciding the champions and also the format of the playoffs. When the team who finished first in the league was crowned champions it required a good start and finish to the season. One or the other was not optional.

Now in theory the 8th placed team can win the thing which by definition means they have been pretty poor all season. I would say we have been poor for the most part and it has not been good to watch.

So it seem to me the old format promoted excellence for most if not all season whereas what you are describing means we get dross for a large part of the season but if we win the GF then it's all OK.

Personally I can't reconcile the latter as making us a good team.



I think if we end up with Wane as coach it will mean IL has failed to secure the coach he wanted be that because they knocked him back or could not get a visa or whatever. What it would show IMO is IL didn't want Noble as coach despite the (hypothetical) victory in the GF.

Dave

Not till we win the treble!

But unfortunately for you and others thats the way modern day RL is. I personally love the play offs. They provide so much excitement to the end of season and the Grand Final provides such a massive atmosphere unrivaled by anything else.



True,i just wonder how IL would feel if Noble did manage to win the GF. He would certainly of put himself under immense pressure with the fans demanding the new coach also brings us a trophy next year. It just seems IL has put himself in an unreal position.

I know that is the way it is but it seems to mean I may as well just turn up for the play offs.

There needs to be a system that promotes both league excellence and the playoffs and as I have said on several threads recently the best play off system is the top 5 and that does more than any of the others tried so far to do so IMO.



That is one of several reasons why I have been saying for about half a season the decision should have been announced a while back whether Nobby was staying or going. Waiting to see if he wins the GF is a bit naff whichever of the side of the pro or anti Nobby side of the fence you sit on.

Dave

The trick is to build on and on year on year, constantly improving the players. Perhaps IL feels that Noble has taken the team as far as he can. Perhaps Noble wants a new challenge.

Whether we win the GF or not we have to look to the future, if its with Noble fine, if its with someone else at the helm bringing new ideas then thats fine too. As long as there is progression.

Maybe he'll just be happy and say cheers Brian, you're a nice bloke and i'm pleased for both the club and you, shake his hand and say goodbye. Maybe he's not evil incarnate after all

Its like Hull winning the cup or Wire or Hudds making a final.



We have nit been good enough a knock out comp which we should always get to the semi on given our team again to me highlights just how poor we have been this year.

with the play off system people should attemp to realise that the league is nothing more than a means to an end !

the clubs play 27 game to show the top x clubs who are good enough to go forward to the play off's

The top 4 in the league gets a better chance of reaching the final. we and catalans are in the last four and i am sure there are other fans and coaches who would love to be in our shoes

yet what do we get from our own fans ?? whinging and bitching if there was a league for that we would win hands down

Noble asked for 4 years ! we have now got two teams into there respective grand finals and the first team a game away !

all these things have come about under one Brian Noble

is that good enough ? no some fans only know how to bitch and whinge and that for me includes the chairm


yes ironic that i am whinging and bitching against the fans who bitch and whinge about the players and the coach

ironic?

Get of your high horse Pal, Nobles FAILED at Wigan, poor regular seasons and semi final chokers, Lenegan (Chairman) has seen exactly what most fans have seen and it isnt good enough and is trying to correct this, a new coach with modern techniques would improve our team more than any new signing could.

Failed ?????

please explain your version of failed !

We have been 80 mins away from the grand final the last two seasons ( beaten by the winners on both occasions)
this from a team heading into national league one !!!

but maybe failure in your eyes means we have not beaten every other tam to a pulp ??

even in the glory years we did not win every thing at a canter and at times it was more than an arm wrestle

maybe hindsight only woirks if you gloss over the things that don'tfit into the arguments against the current coach /players

in there day edwards and farrel got more thanb there share of flak from the "fans"

yet now they are boasted as the be all and end all of wigans history now that is IRONIC

He's failed because he dropped Ainscough after he scored 4 tries.