he's right about not playing sam though



injuries have defo forced his hand regarding certain selections who wouldnt have got near otherwise

No, he isnt.



But that is what happens at any club in any sport. Don't delude yourself that Eastmond played because Long was dropped for example

lets stay on topic , not interested in what goes on over there ..

sam t would not have played all of the last 4 or 5 games if smith was still here

this is such a key position and sam has made a massive difference

deny it and you are deluded

Yet Sam played while Smith was here.

What about the instances where Smith wasn't injured and Sam played or are we just choosing to ignore that?

Ahh, so a relevant example that disproves your nonsense is "off topic", wonderful logic there....

Of course, im deluded, explain what happened when Smith was dropped then.

Ignore it and you will make yourself seem an even bigger wit.

I think Sam's performances have cemented his place this season, he has had several superb performances, a couple of decent performances but in my opinion he's yet to have a stinker that deserves him to be dropped=red**.

=red** [size=75Said whilst touching wood in the hope this continues. [/size

You are not suggesting young players in other teams or in other team sports only ever get a chance when a senior player is injured are you?

The difference between any sport and Noble's Wigan is not that injuries sometimes open the door for players but that at Wigan the evidence shows that it is the only way the vast majority ever get a chance.

Do you think J Tomkins would have got a chance without Lockers injury last year? I don't. Had Mathers not got suspended and Smith been so woeful would his brother have got a chance? Not IMO. Events occurred that opened up a slot for these players and when you add to that to how Noble played Colbon all across the park in 2008 rather then use a reserve player, the conclusion is pretty obvious he only uses these players when forced into it.

People who watch the reserves have said Ainscough does not deserve to take Roberts place based on the current form of both players. Fair enough but it is my opinion, which is based on the way Nopble has handled the side over the last three years, that were Ainscough scoring 10 tries a match and if Roberts were letting 10 in, he would stick with Roberts. Ok I exaggerate but you get the point.

Dave

If we finish 4th/5th and win the double, Noble stays and next year we finish 1st/2nd but don't win the CC or GF, have we gone forwards or backwards?

personal insults allready ?? if you cant discuss the point with resorting to petty name calling then you have a weak argument

as i said , im not concerned about other teams , just mine

we can argue the toss all day if you want , but smith's presence kept sam out of the team rightly or wrongly

there has been numerous threads on these boards bemoaning the fact that tompkins had been dropped in place of smith

smith was accused of not being fit to wear the shirt at times

Forwards.

By coming 1st/2nd would have meant we would have been more consistent throughout the season regardless of silverware.