he's right about not playing sam though

injuries have defo forced his hand regarding certain selections who wouldnt have got near otherwise

You are not suggesting young players in other teams or in other team sports only ever get a chance when a senior player is injured are you?

The difference between any sport and Noble's Wigan is not that injuries sometimes open the door for players but that at Wigan the evidence shows that it is the only way the vast majority ever get a chance.

Do you think J Tomkins would have got a chance without Lockers injury last year? I don't. Had Mathers not got suspended and Smith been so woeful would his brother have got a chance? Not IMO. Events occurred that opened up a slot for these players and when you add to that to how Noble played Colbon all across the park in 2008 rather then use a reserve player, the conclusion is pretty obvious he only uses these players when forced into it.

People who watch the reserves have said Ainscough does not deserve to take Roberts place based on the current form of both players. Fair enough but it is my opinion, which is based on the way Nopble has handled the side over the last three years, that were Ainscough scoring 10 tries a match and if Roberts were letting 10 in, he would stick with Roberts. Ok I exaggerate but you get the point.

Dave

If we finish 4th/5th and win the double, Noble stays and next year we finish 1st/2nd but don't win the CC or GF, have we gone forwards or backwards?

personal insults allready ?? if you cant discuss the point with resorting to petty name calling then you have a weak argument

as i said , im not concerned about other teams , just mine

we can argue the toss all day if you want , but smith's presence kept sam out of the team rightly or wrongly

there has been numerous threads on these boards bemoaning the fact that tompkins had been dropped in place of smith

smith was accused of not being fit to wear the shirt at times

Forwards.

By coming 1st/2nd would have meant we would have been more consistent throughout the season regardless of silverware.

Form at the business end of the season (Again)

80 mins from Wembley.


Yes Nobby is doing an awful job isn't he?




Even more amusing is the fact that a lot of the people who were moaning about young British players being squeezed out of the team by Aussies now want to replace a proven successful British coach with an untested Aussie!!

You couldn't make it up.

un tested aussie ?

who's that ?

But... the big difference is that some of the British-born players are as good as if not better than the aussie imports - whereas the majority of NRL coaches tend to be superior to their British counterparts.

But he wasn't.
Sam played his first game of the season off the bench at Quinns
Smith was DROPPED for the next two v Bradford h(won) and Leeds away (lost) and returned to the bench v Salford (won)

In the next game v Huddersfield Smith was DROPPED again and Sam started. (lost)

Barrow away (won) saw Sam again start with Smith on the bench.

Saints at home (lost) Sam started and Smith was DROPPED.

Are you getting the picture.

Catalan away (lost) Sam started no Smith

Celtic home, Wakefield away, Murrayfield, Wakefield away (Challenge Cup) (all wins) saw Smith start and Sam on the bench.

Hull KR home (lost) was the FIRST time Sam was left out of the team

Warrington away (lost) Sam started and Smith was left out of the squad

Salford home Cup ( won) Sam started, Smith was not in the squad

Salford home (won) Smith came back Sam was not in the squad, he played in the reserves but wasn't meant to Noble wanted to give him a couple of weeks off as he was going to France with the England squad

Celtic away (lost) 3.85205078125:5