It's exactly the problem.

We should have used the near relegation as a second chance and you'd hope we'd have learned lessons but unfortunatly with a team chocked full of foreign players with bad attitudes we don't seem to have done.

I'd have thought our scrape with relegation would have rid the club and it's players of the 'we play for Wigan therefore we've got a devine right to win most matches' attitude but it hasn't!

I sometimes wonder if we'd have been better going down then coming back with a clean slate like Hull KR!

How many years did it take them to get back though?

I'm not so sure the relegation to clear the decks is an option these days. The gap between the top league and the second tier is far greater nowadays, and whilst I don't think you'd have had a problem recruiting a team good enough to get you straight back up, the subsequent recruitment would have been hard IMO. Added to that is the massive gap in the funding you'd have received for that year.

It took KR ages but i don't really remember the circumstances around that yet i'm sure they wouldn't have had the youth set up at that time that we've got now or the knowledge that even in a worse case scenario we'd get back in as a franchise after just 2 years(i think it was).

It's hard to say if we'd have been better off but i'd hazard a guess we may have been. You mention the recruitment once we got back up being harder but imo it would have been easier then it is now. We'd have unloaded huge contracts like Fieldens straight away allowing us a raft of leeway in salary cap space.

Guess we'll never know.

That's what I said.

Still living in the past. Change the record

Er the past 2 years yes..............

Not exactly, you intimated that he wasn't the same fighter down to age etc after the Foley fight to prove your point.

I'm saying it was nothing to do with his age but to do with th 3 1/2 years enforced absence.

If he had been allowed to fight on he may have stayed fitter etc meaning him progressing through his career with his original style of fighting?????

I know. But I'm buggered if I know what you are talking about.

I am just fed up of the whole thing we are so inconsistent, i don't get the feel that the team are anywhere near where they should be and i think something radical needs to be done to stop the mess and i think it needs to be done asap.

I am sure we have good players, but they aint living up to their true potential on a consistent basis. it was only a few weeks ago that Wigan were 4 unbeaten, defeated Saint's in that magic weekend thing and at that point i had high hopes that we could do something, but sinnce losing that tight game to Hull KR at the JJB the team have capitulated again just like they did at the start of the season.

Now they are going to go on like a 2/3 match winning streak at some point but they will lose again and here we are again. For things to change and just to give us fans some hope, Ian Lenagan needs to take action, and until he does something with the coaching situation then we are going to be stuck in this rut for a while yet!