If this is true then they are not "ultimate pros". They show charactersitics of babies who can't get their own way, and have gone down in my estimation.

Now they are coaches, presumably they would "understand" players under them reacting in a similar way?


Players are not paid to express opinions on the coach.


Frankly there is not ONE player in the current Wigan team who holds the moral right to question Nobby. He has achieved far more than any of the overpaid wasters that we currently have in our squad.

Sadly I think that's probably true

If some of the players are looking to undermine BN then what better way to have a secret name calling clique to belong to.

My source has nothing but respect for BN as he had a say in whether they got the job or not. They do no hold a grudge against him.

They were just reporting the kind of thing that is going on behind the scenes at the moment.

But I think John Dorahy was an extreme example. His incompetence was threatening to destroy a superb team.

With Noble it's not so clear cut. His tactics are nonexistant, but the team is also poor. Only the odd individual has occasionally shone during Noble's tenure.

The idea of them all giving him stick the moment his back is turned is quite amusing - the same is done with most of the players by the fans, and for better reasons: i.e. the fans feel badly let down, whereas with the players you get the feeling it's because they're being bitchy.

There is, I think, a very childish element creeping in at Wigan at player level. When IL read the Riot Act to them after the Huddersfield game last season - the incident that is often credited with turning the season around - several of them went whingeing to the press, instead of taking it on the chin like men. Any time a player is dropped - particularly one of the younger guys (who in former decades wouldn't even share the same dressing room with the first team), they complain to anyone who'll listen, knowing full well that word will get out. It doesn't surprise me entirely. I think there are a lot of negative influences around the fringes of Wigan RL these days. The guy who leads the 'we hate IL' brigade on the other website does it because his mate was released by the club. Others - some of them in the coaching set-up - stick their oar in because they see something in it for themselves - either in the form of job protection or job opportunity.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Nobby is undeserving of criticism. Far from it. But when we hear new members of the coaching team at Wigan saying that the entire culture at Wigan needs to change, then I think it's pretty clear what they mean.

The players may not like their boss. But as other posters have said, the vast majority of us don't - and we don't get the consolation of enormous salaries for doing the thing we love. As a job-lot, they need to man up.

Brian Noble has the full backing off the wigan rl club and its supporters .Now thats official. Language Timothy!

Has he been sacked yet??

My source says deffo tomorrow


WELL It was more like WOOF! WOOF! WOOF!

Surely the Dorahay thing isn't news to you?

Dorahay came in and his methods were just so rubbish a team that had very successful methods in place just rebelled against something that was going to lead to their demise as a force in the competition.



Rubbish. Any coach who doesn't listen to the opinions of his senior pros is an idiot.

He doesn't have to act on them and the coach must retain his authority but are you seriously suggesting the players should act like sheep and do whatever they are told when it is blindingly obvious they are being told to do the wrong thing? That is what was happening under Dorahay. It's the same in any walk of life and in any job if you see things are very wrong with the way things are being run you have a responsibility to do something not meekly comply otherwise you are just as guilty as the person leading you to failure.

The Dorahay episode was an extreme case of player power but it wasn't in the slightest bit out of order IMO because Dorahay had been exposed as being totally useless.

Whether there is the same situation at Wigan now is a completely different question but back then the players prevented that team being ruined.

I also think there is also a big difference between then and now in that back then the players were acting from a position of strength and could point to their success on the field using the methods they were familiar with. They were ultimately proved right. Now while I think Noble is primarily responsible for the dross play the players are not exactly blameless either, so are not in the same position as Edwards and Hanley were and can't claim to have the same sort of moral authority.



See above but at the same time it was widely rumoured last year Noble would not listen to Barrett's suggestions. If true Noble was an idiot.

Dave

he has gone thats it he has been sacked.


S#it sorry getting mixed up with the postman.

I never called my boss names because I respected him. The question is has Noble got the respect of the players. If not...

Recession /Slump/Poverty means all coaches with big contracts in 2009 will still be in employment in 2010.

Unless their contract is due to finish at the end of 2009. Like Noble's is.

Speaking from personal experience if a coach allows the position of power to shift then they deserve to go. It has cost me on one occasion a mistake i never made again, but once that respect is gone there is no winning it back.

The coach when dealing with large groups of young men has to keep a tight hold over them by whatever means he has, Millward went due to player disharmony, Kear did at Hull, Smith did at Wakefield all pretty obvious examples but i would also point towards many other occasions of clubs underperforming, and once the coach walks enthusiasm and passion kick back into place. The trick is maintaining this for your tenure as a coach the good ones do in all sports, the poor ones are quickly exposed and that respect is lost.

From simple body language and public reactions to Noble from the players i have suggested for a long time now that he does not have the confidence of the players and i genuinely feel that is the case, which is the main reason for the substandard performances.

There is an old saying if it aint broke don't fix it, our tactics are clearly broken and yet there is no visable attempts to fix them in key areas, and as someone expected to follow the coach this is not going to help the relationship.

A well articulated view, and one with which I concur.

Despite what I said before about the players needing to grow up - which I reiterate because I believe it - I agree absolutely that Noble has got something badly wrong at Wigan and that his time is basically up.