Either the coach isn't good enough, or the playing staff aren't. Time for Lenegahn to decide which.

Not both?

Hard to replace them all.

I saw a bit of hope today.

Defence and physicality were spot on.

We were bidding the second half till the Tautai knock on, next time we touched the ball the game was already over.

Samutt added some much needed pace around the ruck.

Gildart has become a strange one for me. Bags of talent however this season he is overplaying the space he has and drifting towards tough every time he gets the ball. Opposition teams are wise to is and nearly all of them work him on the floor to try out him I. Touch. He needs to straighten the line, something I thought he used to be great at.

Smithies great display. Look forward to watching him develop over the next few years.

Wouldn't be a bad thing to try.

Players-wise, we are chock full of unimpressive kids, journeymen and knackered has-beens.

Coaching-wise, the less said the better. We can all see how disorganised and unmotived we are. It's painful to watch.

Somehow or other, we need a clear-out of epic proportions.

I know this is going back a long while. But for decades Wigan had at least 8 GB players. Many who were 'World Class' and world beaters. I don't think I need to add anything ?

Lam needs to go and half of the team needs replacing. Its not one or the other its both.

I thought there was bags of effort last night. We just have too many players who are simply not good enough, even if we’re at full strength. Even Craig Bellamy would struggle with this squad.

The key difference yesterday was we didn’t have a hooker and only had a scrum half once Sammut came on.

Shorrocks missed a load of tackles, some of them key tackles that led to tries. Shorrocks needs to up the ante, he seems to saunter through games without a care in the world.

Looking back at the game our forwards didn’t lay a platform because they were let down by Clubb with his minutes and the injury to Greenwood.

If we went into that game with 2 decent props instead of Clubb and Partington, any one of Manfredi/Marshall/Davies instead of Hankinson, Leuluai at 9 with Sammut starting wed have won.

You say that like we have a proven track record at the moment of signing such a level of player. The leadership at the club have showed they don’t want to fund or pursue a high calibre of signing.

Agreed, we’re not a million miles off. Not where we should be, but there’s signs. Going to toe to toe with a team who are allegedly a class above the rest on two occasions is OK.

I’ve consigned myself to a very bog standard this season and hope to be challenging again next year. I’d take a bad year this year and our last ten years rather than that of Warrington or Saints.

It was a horror show from Shorrocks in defence. I read somebody comment last night that they felt he’d done pretty well and I raised my eyebrows. He was our weak link without any question imo and after being unlucky in my book to lose his halfback spot for the cup game, he certainly won’t be keeping hold of the 9 shirt.

Since his return from injury he’s not impressed me, we seem to be creating half backs that aren’t creative, not cheeky enough and are willing to just go through the motions hoping ‘the move’ works.

Bringing in two quality props would make a world of difference to this team. If we could bring in a proper 9 too it'd be a different side.

Currently we get smashed up the middle every game. You can't win when you're constantly on the back foot.