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| Quote: Geoff "I like the playoffs, but I still don't think the GF should be the premier prize, in fact I think it should be third behind the League Leaders trophy and the CC (mainly because of the number of games necessary to win it).
I also think top 8 is too many - I don't see why teams with losing records should be able to qualify.'"
Agree with that Geoff, think it should go back to 6, or better still 5
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| It keeps things interesting and I think it would be a lot more boring if we didn't have a final. This particular play off system is a bit rubbish though. I'd like to see a top 6 like so:
Week 1:
3rd v 6th
4th v 5th
Week 2:
1st v Chosen week 1 winner
2nd v Other week 1 winner
Week 3:
Week 2 winner v Other week 2 winner
Big incentive to finish in the top 2 (only need to win 1 home game against 3rd-6th to get to the final) and no game can be played twice because every game is knockout.
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| Playoffs are a good idea, BUT the team that finishes first should have a massive advantage over the rest. The team that finishes second should have a smaller (but still significant advantage).
I have said this ever since the playoff system was introduced. Ironically the RFL has steadily drifted towards a worse and less equitable playoff system.
Also under the playoff system the league leaders shield means nothing other than giving an advantage to the team that "wins" it.
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "
Also under the playoff system the league leaders shield means nothing other than giving an advantage to the team that "wins" it.'"
That's a good thing, though.
The less prestige that is attached to the League Leaders Shield, the more prestige remains attached with the Grand Final - and it's the Grand Final we all want to win, isn't it?
If coming top is seen as 'the' achievement, then the Grand Final will be no more prestigious than the old Premiership - a post-season afterthought.
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| In seasons where one team gets quickly away to a good lead in the league, one has to question how much pressure there is on the top team on a weekly basis. That's why I like a Grand Final. That said, like many posters here I find the current system rewards mediocrity too much. The top 5 system was a perfect example of mathematical elegance - each team had a concrete advantage over the team immediately below them. Winning from 5th was a near impossibility, as that team would have to beat the top 4 in consecutive weeks away from home or on a neutral ground. That system should never have been abandoned.
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| It's a good way in prinicipal, but the current system isn't the best
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| It is a brilliant way to decide champions, having to win 2 or 3 games in a row against top opposition after a tough league and cup campaign proves you are champions but I just think more should be done to reward the top placed team.
However, our minority sport needs as big and exciting play-off series as it can get.
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| The play offs and the Grand Final have been a shot in the arm for rugby league. They must stay and the top eight format is fine, just needs tweaking so that its 1 v 8, 2 v 7 etc.
The weekly rounds are superb entertainment, but the excitement and intensity rise significantly in the play offs.
Also to compete with the Aussies we have to play at a higher intensity than we do in games against the likes of Wakefield & Quins, so the play offs are vital in that respect as well.
Conclusion - very good idea.
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| I like the play-offs, but the current format is garbage.
The best one we had was the top 6:
Week 1:
3rd v 6th (3rd wins)
4th v 5th (4th wins)
Week 2:
1st v 2nd - Winner straight to GF
3rd v 4th (3rd wins)
Week 3:
2nd v 3rd - Winner to GF
That way, the top 2 have a DISTINCT advantage over the others.
This current system leaves EVERYONE with the chance of a single loss meaning no GF, plus it has too many teams.
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| Being the most consistent team throughout a whole season is not given the credence it deserves and I am not saying that because we happen to have won it this year, the likes of Edward Hemmings virtually sneer at the achievement whilst banging on about the grand final and Old Trafford at every opportunity and the trophy seems to be universally known as the hubcap which is demeaning and not something that happens with either the challenge cup or the GF trophy. The play-off games are exciting and great to watch (especially if you are playing at Odsal and are 30 points to 6 down in the fifty oddth minute!) but like with the Challenge cup anything can happen in knock out football so personally think it is unfair but as long as the Aussies do it we will have to follow
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| Top of the league should always be crowned champions. If you can finish above every other single team in the league than you are the best. Any team in the world can lose a one off game, so the GF doesn't show who necessarily the best team are.
You can be mediocre all season and then turn up and win the GF.
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| Quote: Dougy "Top of the league should always be crowned champions. If you can finish above every other single team in the league than you are the best. Any team in the world can lose a one off game, so the GF doesn't show who necessarily the best team are.
You can be mediocre all season and then turn up and win the GF.'"
I would argue you can't?
You may be able to be Mediocre all season and then be exceptional in the Play offs, but not just in the GF?
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| Quote: Jukesays "I would argue you can't?
You may be able to be Mediocre all season and then be exceptional in the Play offs, but not just in the GF?'"
Fair enough! Yeah i meant to can be mediocre all season then turn up and win the playoffs. You could win less than half your games and be champions. Yet a team may lose one game all season and not be. Anything can happen in cup games. Its a shocking way to decide champions when there is no need for it.
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| Although highly unlikely, its possible for Crusaders to be crowned Champions having won 16 and lost 15 SL games.
How can that be right?
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| Quote: ROBINSON "That's a good thing, though.
The less prestige that is attached to the League Leaders Shield, the more prestige remains attached with the Grand Final - and it's the Grand Final we all want to win, isn't it?
If coming top is seen as 'the' achievement, then the Grand Final will be no more prestigious than the old Premiership - a post-season afterthought.'"
Yes I agree. I wasn't expressing a view, for or against.
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