im all for this new found transparency we have as a club. however, if it starts to impact on team afairs then IL may need to think again

How???
He's not been there for 2 years, and look how good they are doing this year. They should make the play offs for the first time (I think).

I'm not as fans we should be judging the board based on the players they bring in, the sponsors they have on board, their performance within the laws of the salary cap and the way they handle themselves, which ultimately reflects on results on the pitch.

All what goes on off the pitch is bound to effect the players on, constant speculation is damaging for players (and coaches) confidence. Look at Man U in 2002 when they where told Ferguson was leaving half the team gave up. Players ending their contract might think "well the chairman is after so and so, what is the point in me running my bolox's off for this coach? When he won't be here next year and neither will I".

He still owns Harlequins and still gives them cash.

Is this true? I hear one story one week that he’s sold up and then you hear completely different the next.

If it is true then IL needs to have a word with himself.

IL should be as we speak tabling an offer to himself for LMS and Danny Orr.

He owns 60% of Quins RL and gives them £600k a year. Also his company sponsors them.

Still owns 75% I think, but has to sell up by October. I'm sure the Quins fans can add some clarity.

To be honest at the moment I couldn't give a proverbial about the rights and wrongs of all this. (I mean no offence by that comment.)

The reason I can't get excited about the IL/BN situation is that the club seems to be losing its way. The shocking state of the club at the moment is far more upsetting than whether or not IL or BN is the one in the wrong. Frankly between them they are making a real mess of things in any case.

The only thing I care about is seeing the club returning to the standards expected of Wigan rugby. That won't happen unless there is some radical change at the club.

DaveO will be sticking quotation marks around that statement as further proof that Lenagan is the Prince of Darkness.

What's Orr said. Have I missed something here? Please God don't tell me we are trying to re-sign him or is this another Orr. Confused

I'd say the opposite and say nothing has really come out in public.

What information is being leaked to the press? Of that which you mentioned:

Who we are going to sign: we haven't signed anyone and we don't know who we are going to sign. I don't even think the club themselves know who we are going to sign. Rumours are bound to go around, however, ultimately all most rumours prove is that know one knows.

Lack of sponsors: can't really hide that can you? It isn't like there was an announcement from the club saying "we can't get a sponsor" was there. It was obvious we were looking for a new sponsor because we didn't want to be linked with the JJb anymore, and plus Lenegan got an excellent deal with Mecca.

Managers future: as with sponsor, it's something the club cannot hide; Noble is out of contract, we haven't renewed his contract therefore it's obvious we are looking elsewhere. This thread has in fact proved that no one has a clue what's going on 'in house'.

Rant at the players: that, in my opinion, should have come out into the public. It wasn't in detail i.e. X told to get fitter, Y told to grow some balls etc. but the fans needed to know that something was being done to try and correct the attitude of the players.

Hock's A sample: it was the RFL who made the announcement. I'd be very surprised if Wigan had any say in the timing of the announcement. And also, didn't we have every right to know?

I don't think Lenegan is above criticism, far from it, however I'd say the examples you gave were poor, and in fact portray him as more than a competent business man who is far superior to Mike Ashley.

I'll be too p155ed to care .