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| Quote: Phuzzy "Hang on a minute Jon! You're being disingenuous again. I never said he was a strike half. I said he had a running game, which he did. Also Deacon scored 85 tries in just shy of 400 games. Thurston scored Scored 109 in a similar amount. Even basic maths tells you that's around 25% more than Deacon and that's before we even get to the fact that he did it in a much, much tougher competition including State of Origin! The comparison should be with Andrew Johns who had a similar strike rate in the same comp, not Deacon who scored far fewer in an easier comp. In fact Jerome Luai who you put forward as a half with a running game has scored 30 tries in 140 games. A try ratio worse than Thurston's! If you're going to be that flexible with the truth I think the discussion has run it's course.
Moto: Thurston scored plenty from distance as well. More importantly, his dummy resulted in a lot of tries that other players scored too
I guess it comes down to the definition of your post maker.
Thurston was a half back much like Deacon (and they have very similar try returns), Smith, Farrimond etc.
French is a pure 5/8th.
We have set our team up to play around a pure 5/8th hence why Rocky got the nod against Cas as he too is suited to the 5/8th role.
If we bring in a second half hack to play in the halves we lose the strike we hand as we don’t have a Tomkins, O’Loughlin, Sculthorpe, Sinfield, Cam Smith type ball playing threat to compliment them.
For the next 8 weeks I personally want to see French at 6 and Smith at 7 as our starting 6 & 7. I don’t like French at 1. I don’t think 2 half backs in the team (Smith and Farrimond) is as effective keeping Smith and French in their roles and exploring other opportunities at 1.
Rocky could have cemented his position in the team for a few months but hasn’t managed to do so, so my preference would be to look at Kerighan (once ban is served) 1 due to his passing game and strike threat whilst bringing Eckersley into the centre.
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| Quote: moto748 "Smith and Farrimond *may* be not the right call, but it surely wouldn't hurt to give them a few games together (starting with London), and see how it goes before we write them off as an option? Anyway, we always have switcheroo options.'"
Yeah exactly. Everyone over-analysing it to a ridiculous degree. Just play them together and see if it works.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "Interesting piece on Farrimond on the Love Rugby League site, with them talking to John Duffy about him.
Jack’s a super-talented half-back,” Duffy adds. “He’s a scrum-half, but he does like running the ball and taking the line on as opposed to just giving the ball to a team-mate.
Can't be true. Jon says it's not!
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| What a strange post again Phuzzy.
His coaches literally in the article describe him as an organising kicking “half back” but say he does take the line on 2.
That’s the entire point of the conversation. He is a half back. Our entire team is currently set up around a half and a 5/8th so we would need to change the entire way we play to bring him in to replace Field.
Playing with Smith would minimise his effectiveness because whilst he can run his key attributes are organising passing and kicking.
I will leave you to it.
I’m guessing you don’t understand the concept of a half and 5/8th and how they compliment each other particularly in the way we currently play.
It’s why Cust lost his place in the team as he has a half too, him and Smith in some instances were both doing the same job and their impact on the game was reduced.
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| Quote: jonh "What a strange post again Phuzzy.
His coaches literally in the article describe him as an organising kicking “half back” but say he does take the line on 2.
That’s the entire point of the conversation. He is a half back. Our entire team is currently set up around a half and a 5/8th so we would need to change the entire way we play to bring him in to replace Field.
Playing with Smith would minimise his effectiveness because whilst he can run his key attributes are organising passing and kicking.
I will leave you to it.
I’m guessing you don’t understand the concept of a half and 5/8th and how they compliment each other particularly in the way we currently play.
It’s why Cust lost his place in the team as he has a half too, him and Smith in some instances were both doing the same job and their impact on the game was reduced.'"
But he doesn't have a running game Jon. You said so.
You also said Thurston's try strike rate is the same as Deacon's though which is also garbage.
The problem is you keep doubling down on your ramblings.
I never said he wasn't a half. I said he was a half with a running game. I also mentioned 2 other halves (Deacon and Leuluai) who also played successfully together and indeed won a title so I clearly know the difference. I never said we wouldn't have to alter the way we play.
The problem with you, Jon, is you can't (or won't) read what is actually written and instead go off on some disingenuous tangent. You ignore anything that doesn't support your argument. For example comparing Thurston's try scoring ratio to Deacon's (it's better) rather than John's (similar) or Luai's (Thurston's is better). I wonder why?
To reiterate: Jack has a running game. We don't know if the combination with Smith would work as it hasn't been tested. Every other viewpoint is supposition. All facts
What's hard to understand about that?
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| Quote: Phuzzy "But he doesn't have a running game Jon. You said so.
You also said Thurston's try strike rate is the same as Deacon's though which is also garbage.
The problem is you keep doubling down on your ramblings.
I never said he wasn't a half. I said he was a half with a running game. I also mentioned 2 other halves (Deacon and Leuluai) who also played successfully together and indeed won a title so I clearly know the difference. I never said we wouldn't have to alter the way we play.
The problem with you, Jon, is you can't (or won't) read what is actually written and instead go off on some disingenuous tangent. You ignore anything that doesn't support your argument. For example comparing Thurston's try scoring ratio to Deacon's (it's better) rather than John's (similar) or Luai's (Thurston's is better). I wonder why?
To reiterate
Nothing at all.
What I am saying is that both Smith and Farrimond are natural halves and I don’t think they make the best combination whilst Field is out injured as both their strengths and skill sets are similar.
If we run with Smith and Farrimond for the next 8 weeks and it works great. I don’t think we will.
It’s a bit like playing a fullback on the wing or vice versa sure they can play there and do a job but do they get the best out of themselves and contribute to the team probably not.
If you want us to totally chsnge the way we play whilst Field is out fair enough I don’t I’m guessing Peet doesn’t either which is why Rocky got first crack at 1 and then as Smiths partner.
Let’s see how the team lines up over the next couple of months to see what Peet decides is best for the team.
I will 100% say if Smith picks up a knock Farrimond is straight in the team in my option over Rocky and anyone else.
It’s that simple.
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| As soon as Keighran's back I would like to give Eckersley a run at full back. That keeps the team as near as possible to what it normally is, and he has played there in the past. That said, Hampshire will get better with more regular game time. He is clearly not as good as Field or French and never will be, but being dropped in for a game here or there with long gaps between gives him no chance to build form or understanding. Also, if Rocky is not able to find some form and nail a place down with Field out for a couple of months then it's time to ship him on at the end of the season. He was signed because he covers halfback and fullback. If he can't do that then we should let him go somewhere else, where he can hopefully get himself the security of a longer contract now he's at the back end of his career.
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| Quote: tyr "As soon as Keighran's back I would like to give Eckersley a run at full back. That keeps the team as near as possible to what it normally is, and he has played there in the past. That said, Hampshire will get better with more regular game time. He is clearly not as good as Field or French and never will be, but being dropped in for a game here or there with long gaps between gives him no chance to build form or understanding. Also, if Rocky is not able to find some form and nail a place down with Field out for a couple of months then it's time to ship him on at the end of the season. He was signed because he covers halfback and fullback. If he can't do that then we should let him go somewhere else, where he can hopefully get himself the security of a longer contract now he's at the back end of his career.'"
Can Keighran not play full back and leave Eckersley at centre.
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| Round 1 to Phuzzy
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"I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count"
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Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!"
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| Round 2 Phuzzy
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"I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count"
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| Round 3 Phuzzy
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| I think Jonh owes Phuzzy an apology.
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| i'm only listening to the commentary, but it sounds like Farrimond has been given a running role, and seems to be doing OK, so perhaps he's not *just* an organiser!
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