Another rumour that is rubbish.

There's no real wider picture than the survival of Wigan RL as a major force. That is what IL is trying to achieve. Brian Noble, I'd guess, would say the same for his own efforts, but thus far he's failed badly, and his other actions - applying for other jobs etc - would suggest that it isn't his priority anyway.

We've still only got your word for it that IL has been going about his business in an incorrect fashion. You seem to be basing every assumption about his character on occasional comments made in the press. Surely you accept that white lies and half-truths occasionally have to be given, along with get-outs, stock answers and all the other usual things that CEOs sometimes find necessary if they don't want to compromise behind-the-scenes activity?

You also seem to be starting from the position that IL is an untrustworthy person whereas BN is telling the absolute whole truth. That's also what you did when Steve McNamara and the Wakey chairman both tried to secure their position at IL's expense. To be honest, Dave, its all getting repetitive, this. You accuse me of always defending IL, but you never seem to miss an opportunity to cast an aspersion on him. At least in my favour he's only a year and a half into the job, and still trying to reform the club in his own image. If he's till achieved nothing two or three years for now, I'll join the chorus of dissent. But you got stuck into him almost straight away. There is a certain breed of Wigan fan who is determined to find fault with everything the club tries to do, and, though I have a lot of time for many of your posts, you do tend to embody that type of thinking.

I'm definitely signing off on this conversation now, because it's tedious and, frankly, unimportant in the greater run of events.

It will, but it shouldn't. This season has been unacceptable and two good performances to win the cup (considering we practically had a bye to the semis) shouldn't mask what has been a very poor season for Wigan RL.

I agree though that Noble has been treated poorly by the fans in particular. I have personally believed that Noble should have gone at the end of last season, but I understood why he had been given another year to try and turn things around. However, some of the criticism he has faced has not been warranted, and he has clearly been in charge of a team not fully comitted to the club at all points this season, and despite our weaknesses having been obvious for three seasons now, he has not been given the prop we so desperately need to really challenge for silverware.

Once Noble has left the club (most likely at the end of the season) and the dust settles as it were, I think most fans will be very thankful for the efforts Brian has put in. He inherited a relegation bound team and has transformed the club in to what has proved to be the third best team in the competition in the previous two years.

He undoubtedly leaves the club in a much better state than when he joined it even if recvnt performances do not support such a claim. However, ultimately, I think it is best for club [iand[/i coach that we part company.

I have a horrible feeling, that we may be hearing another rendition of the 'your not fit to wear the shirt' before the year is out.

It may even come as close as the next home game, which is i think quins.

I really hope this doesnt happen, as that was perhaps the most uncomfortable thing i have ever witnessed as a supporting fan.

Just hope the events of the last couple of weeks make them (the players) pull their socks up, but on past experience, i doubt it!

I'd like to think that the players respect Noble, the club, themselves and the fans enough to give it everything for the remainder of the season, and we can evaluate where we are (or more specifically where we aren't) then.

There appears to be a lot of evidence to the contrary dont you think?

I don't think he's been harshly treated tbh, if anything he's lucky to still be here but he as anybody would deserves to know where he stands. It isn't fair that everybody is being left on an edge not knowing whats going to happen and i don't think the issue is helping anybody at the moment.

I don't see why Lenagan doesn't just come out and say whats happening. If Noble is leaving at the end of 2009 then tell us and tell him. That will simplify Nobles own task which would then be, imo, to put himself in the shop window for a new job by helping Wigan end the season on a high.

If on the other hand Noble is to stay he has to give him a contract now and for more then 1 year. If he's willing to back him it can't just keep being on a year by year basis because that leaves us in this situation every year and leaves the players an excuse to pack up their season each year as soon as they face abit of adversity.

Mr Lenagan has to start making some calls and make them quick. I'm sick to the back teeth of everything taking a fooking age with him

Well said.

I cant believe IL has killed Michael Jackson to get the press away from his treatment of BN. Disgraceful, worst chairman ever.

It is not my word at all it is what you can read for yourself in the press. Unless you wish to accuse Noble if lying he found out about IL speaking to Kearney from contacts down under.

But then I only have your word for it Noble went for the Les Cats job don't I and that he applied for the Roosters job or whatever? What do you base all that on?

It gets a bit tiresome when people come out with arguments saying "do you know IL actually said that" or whatever when they will happily draw their own conclusions on events without, of course, having their own position confirmed from the horses mouth.



The articles in the press on the Noble situation are not occasional comments. You know as well as I do what has gone on but are prepared to justify it whereas I am not.

I have no idea what you thought of Mo but I do know there are some posters on here who could not stand the man and had any coach gone to the press saying he had found out Mo was talking to a potential replacement from his mates down under the lynch mob would be out. However when IL does this it is a "little while lie" and all fine and dandy. I think the word I am looking for here is hypocrisy (not that I am accusing you of that because as I said I have no idea of your position on Mo).



I do not start from any particular position but read what is in the press or witness what people actually do and draw my conclusions from that taking each event as they comes. So far by doing that I have come the conclusion the way Noble situation has been handled are just downright poor IMO. It has got nothing to do with what IL has done before or any preconceived opinion.



What I do on a consistent basis I believe, is call a spade a spade. If I see IL doing something I consider wrong I see no reason not to say so and certainly not out of any fear as being classed as someone who is determined to find fault. Equally if he does things right I will say so.

You might recall I was on here saying IL would not have signed Ainscough to a contract that meant the club might not be able to play against this season.

I concluded this would have been a silly thing to do and our chairman would not do such a thing. There were the usual comments of "how do you know that" and my response was I was adopting a reasonable position as the notion the club would do such a thing was stupid. I simply adopted what was a reasonable position that turn out to the correct one.

It is the same sort of thing here. I believe I am being entirely reasonable coming to the conclusions I have based on the quotes in the press from people involved namely Noble, Kearney and Orr.

Dave

This might come under a different heading and I am by no means defending Noble here, but since IL has been in charge we seem to be washing a lot of our clothes in public. Information is being leeked to the press a lot more than it used too. Who we are going too sign, lack of sponsors, managers future, his rant at the players last year, etc. Even the result of Gaz Hocks a sample (isn't it common practice to release the full result's after the b samplenot before). I just feel for a successful business man he hasn't got an idea about how to run a RL club, pretty much like Mike Ashley doesn't have the brain's to run a football club.

but yet again he brought london broncos no i mean halequins back to life an made them a good team