I can't wait for tonight's game between 2 of the worlds best sides,I think it will be a very close contest with a victory of around 6-8 points either way
I just wish that Sam was playing as he would have swayed the game our way



Saints have been an embarrassment to SL these past 2 seasons with their feeble pathetic performances
If we put in that kind of showing tonight I would be appalled as it isn't in Wigan's DNA to capitulate like the once mighty Saints have done

As a Warrington fan I think that you have a cheek having a pop here as your lot have not ever delivered anything other than a couple of CC wins during the clubs purple patch,They should have won at least a couple of GF's against the Rhinos in 2012 and against us in 2013 when they had the game in the bag

We had an NRL team on the rack in easily our worst season in 6 years. Last night if that had been us i guarantee we wouldn't have capitulated.

As for the GF results, if i speak my mind I'll be entering into the usual merry go round stuff that will invariably end up with accusations of sour grapes, boring conversations about a Blake Green injury even though it didn't stop him playing and other various well versed, tedious partisan guff from both sides.

I was embarrassed last night, the amount of arguments i have got into with Aussies, and Saints just re enforced all their arrogant, condescending ballcocks.

Sounds like excuses from a fan of a losing side to me?

IMO winning a couple of GF's would certainly render any guff from both sides as totally irrelevant would you not agree?
Truth is that Wolves have bottled 2 GF's that they should have won
They lost to a 5th placed Rhinos in 2012 in a season that they finished 2nd and then lost 2 games in the play offs when the pressure was on to Saints at home and then in the final

Why?

They then lost to Wigan in 2013 despite winning by 16 points at one stage in the first half and then never scored again and were eventually beaten by 30 unanswered points

Why?

You can believe/disbelieve all the Guff you want but you know only too well that the Wolves need to deliver the big prize of a GF win to ever be taken seriously
2016 may be your year as both the Rhinos and the Saints don't look too good at the minute so that certainly narrows down your danger sides with proven play off pedigree

Ok, you win...claim you winnings.
Genuinely cba.

Well I have just got back and all I can say is that was rubbish. Our attack couldn't crack an egg in the last 20m. This is not new though. It wasn't much better last week v Hudds, the week before v Les Cats and for most of last season against any half decent defence.

Wane needs to get this sorted because there is simply no threat or guile from us in that areas of the pitch. You can get away with it and win games in SL as we have done on the opening two fixtures this season but against as good a side as that you need more than pass it along the line followed by a speculative grubber kick, which is all we have to offer.

Poor performance aginst a hell of a Brisbane side that really didnt need to get out of second gear for much of the match,when they did though the gulf in class was huge,as much as it hurts to say it was a pleasure watching them in the end as sometimes you have to sit back and enjoy it

Completely agree. We are running the same lines that Madge brought in in 2010. At that point those lines were difficult to defend as the decision making process was brand new, players weren't drilled to defend them, but that move was already starting to fail by the time Madge left. The lines Brisbane ran last night reminded me in a way of NFL plays, multiple players running at different angles on lines that [ichanged [/idirection - we didn't have the decision making skills to cope with that and our defense was left wide open. It wasn't radically different, it was just different enough to cause coping problems and that's all you need. It isn't money or player pool or any other of the regular excuses that explains that difference, it's simply that we have no imagination or ingenuity (and I extend that to the entire English game) to come up with these different attack formations.

Totally agree Hengirl, I posted exactly the same on another thread before reading yours. It was embarrassing.

The thing is as individuals our team went almost well as I expected apart from Williams who was awful. I thought our pack gave it their best shot and Tautai continues to surprise me. The Broncos were simply different class and much bigger. When you get Flower, Isa, Bateman and Farrell starting they simply give too much weight away, plus their backs were huge as well.

Brisbane are one of the best club teams to come over here. I'm just glad that they went on the beer a few days before the match otherwise it would have a total massacre.
Apart from Bateman none of the other players did anything to enhance their reputation.
Our backrow must be the smallest in the entire competition. We made one signing in the off season who is the smallest backrow forward in the competition. The 3 amigos must take responsibility for this.
We have zero go forward apart from Bateman. We don't have one decent prop. Sick to death of hearing about middles. I'm still uncertain what a middle is but I know we usually have 12 on the pitch for most games.
We have halfbacks who play by numbers. Both Aussie pairings so far this weekend have been a pleasure to watch. Full of attack at a fast pace. Smith looks bemused for most of the time and lacklustre for the remainder.
SL is so poor if we had a half decent pack even with our poor backs we could still win something this season. This season will be a long and boring unless ST can provide some instant magic.
I don't have any short term answers because the cupboard is bare excepting ST. Anyone who thinks we can turn this around needs to stop smoking the wrong type of tobacco. The only tiny glimmer of hope is that Waterworth may be able to step up to the test and significantly improve our distribution at hooker.
This will be SW's last season I just hope that IL has already started looking for a replacement for the start of next season.

I thought Bateman really stood up for you guys last night. I wouldn't be too down about the result, I think a 'super league dream team' would have struggled against them. Let's face it, Brisbane were fantastic without even hitting top gear. It was the one game, before kick off, that I thought super league had a chance in, but the gulf is just too much at club level. We compete well at International level due to the amount of players we have playing in the NRL, but our club competition is so far behind its untrue. Some of the lines Brisbane ran were so far ahead in ingenuity than anything our club game offers. North Queensland are going to run riot at Headingly tonight.

Whilst you could argue that our attach was poor I think it's fair to say the gulf in class is clear to see. They are bigger/faster/stronger and more skilful as well as being better coached.

Our attach has been pretty 1 dimensional for a number of years now but I look back at superleague 10-15 years ago and the sides we had then and the quality of the players in comparison to what we have now and I think it's obvious the quality has gone downhill.

by superleague standards I don't actually think we played badly. the problem is, this wasn't a superleague standard of opposition and I struggle to see how we can ever get to that standard when our reserves competition has gone to pot and the salary cap has weakened the bigger teams. 1 game a year against opposition of that quality is going to become a waste of time, money and effort.

If I had to take any positives from tonight it was that Bateman had a really good game and surprisingly Tautai did well imo. Seems to have cut out a lot of the silly errors and put himself about.

Here are the stats from last night. https://twitter.com/RLBarrieMc10/status ... 6142040064 The missed tackles are the BIG difference. Nobody can accuse us of only playing boring overly structured rugby though when you look at the offloads compare to Brisbane.

Here are the stats from last night. https://twitter.com/RLBarrieMc10/status ... 6142040064 The missed tackles are the BIG difference. Nobody can accuse us of only playing boring overly structured rugby though when you look at the offloads compare to Brisbane.

Rogues just read you post on Red V as you know I'm here in Perth there are a no professional RL here but there are still a lot of local Rugby League clubs, like you say they are supported by the Authorities they are way ahead of us, I blame the salary cap as we have always had from year dot top class Aussies and Kiwis in our game to enhance it and bring our lads on,used to be you taped a game and watched it about 4 times over the weekend now after you've seen the game you don't bother to watch again.