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Salary also has to be taken into account, yes many would like to see the likes of Todd Carney play 6 at Wigan, his ability is unquestionable, but how much money will he or others from the NRL be demanding to play SL? Williams +Hampshire+ Powell's salaries might only be slightly over what Carney is being paid at Cats.
Personally I wouldn't trade the 3 or even 2 of the 3 for a top NRL player who's likely to be 30 plus.
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| Quote: Aboveusonlypie "Having watched most of the Tigers games last season Brooks would be a fantastic signing, but I doubt he'd come at this stage of his career. I think we are only really going to attract a player from the NRL at the end of his career, or if he's had problems.
I don't understand your point about the persons age though. Who knows how long a player can stay at the top? If he's fit and playing well then surely we want the best. As I said lets worry about THIS season first. Who knows what the future holds? It's far easier to bring youngsters into a top side than a struggling side. If we'd signed Danny Brough and won the double (no guarantees of course, but I'd fancy us) then we could bring Williams/Hampshire through slowly into a top side instead of a side struggling to make the top 4 (because make no mistake this season WILL be a struggle to make the top 4)
An example. Pat Richards leaves and we are all congratulating ourselves that we have found his replacement from within. Except we haven't because he wont be here next year. And what's more he isn't worth his place at the moment either. Maybe if we'd bought Tom Briscoe there'd be no problem, both last season and this season and then in the future too.'"
Tom Briscoe point is interesting. I'd sooner see us chase the best players in SL/UK based rather than over the hill NRL players. Briscoe, Moon, Clark, Hardaker all moved from UK clubs to UK clubs, and all of which would get into our 17. |
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| Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Tom Briscoe point is interesting. I'd sooner see us chase the best players in SL/UK based rather than over the hill NRL players. Briscoe, Moon, Clark, Hardaker all moved from UK clubs to UK clubs, and all of which would get into our 17.'"
Good discussion this with quite a few differing views and no petty squabbles. The other Wigan site is like a childrens playground.
Wigan did look at Hardaker but he chose to stay closer to home. Briscoe, at the time Burgess was coming through so I guess they thought it wasn't worth the salary cap risk. Clarke is a very good hooker but as you all well know I'm not a fan of scooter hookers and lets see how he goes at Wire.
Joel Moon WAS a big miss IMO and would have been the perfect replacement for George Carmont.
I still don't know how we will mange the Williams, Powell, Hampshire situation and just hope that common sense prevails in the end. There were some interesting comments by Andrew Johns and Darren Lockyer regarding Anthony Milfords performance during the Brisbane v Souths match this morning. |
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "There were some interesting comments by Andrew Johns and Darren Lockyer regarding Anthony Milfords performance during the Brisbane v Souths match this morning.'"
What did they say? From what I've seen of him I don't think he's a 6 or 7 in a million years. |
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| Quote: Charlie Sheen "What did they say? From what I've seen of him I don't think he's a 6 or 7 in a million years.'"
It was along the lines of how difficult is the move from FB to HB. They asked also about splitting the halves which both disagreed with. Lockyer confirmed it was easier (but still tough) for him to move up aged 26 but with the same team, whereas Milford was doing it much younger in an unfamiliar one. |
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I've enjoyed pointing out to NZ Warriors fans on the NRL forum I post on that Joel Moon looks a better player for Leeds than he ever did for the Warriors! I never thought he was all that in the NRL, but I reckon some Aussies thrive in the rather more attacking style of the SL compared to the NRL. I'd cite Luke Walsh as another example.
I never thought Briscoe was all that at Hull either, but, to be fair, he's looked pretty impressive since he's been at the Rhinos.
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| Quote: Charlie Sheen "What did they say? From what I've seen of him I don't think he's a 6 or 7 in a million years.'"
To be fair Milford hardly touched the ball Souths were so dominant. So it would be difficult to judge him.
It's just possible that great though Johns and Lockyer were, Wayne Bennett knows a thing or two more about coaching!!!! |
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| Quote: Aboveusonlypie "To be fair Milford hardly touched the ball Souths were so dominant. So it would be difficult to judge him.
It's just possible that great though Johns and Lockyer were, Wayne Bennett knows a thing or two more about coaching!!!!'"
Nobody is infallible. Afterall, he did sign Greg Eden... |
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| Quote: Charlie Sheen "Nobody is infallible. Afterall, he did sign Greg Eden...'"
Haha. Very good point!
I wonder if Greg will get a game? Remember when Eddie called him the new Billy Slater?  |
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| Quote: Aboveusonlypie "Haha. Very good point!
I wonder if Greg will get a game? Remember when Eddie called him the new Billy Slater? ![]()
It was Nathan Brown (Eden's coach at the time) who said that. By the end of that same season IIRC Eden had fallen out of the side and was shipped out of Huddersfield and joined Hull KR.
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There was a story in the Aussie press after Brisbane's first day of pre season saying Eden had come dead last in the fitness tests. Out of all the props and including big backrowers like Thaiday the guy was the most unfit and was really struggling to get through it.
Strikes me as a lad who let hype get to his head! The fact that Sam Tomkins was always the opposite set him apart from guys like Eastmond, Myler and latterly people like Eden.
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Whilst I think Friday's performance against Cas was nothing short of appalling I'm not going to hit the panic button just yet, in the words of Nobby they'll have to put 'humpty dumpty back together again'.
Watching the NRL start this week made me realise how many ex-Wigan players are running around that competition, I've seen Leuluai and Hoffman carry the Warriors at Newcastle, Richards drop a last minute goal to win for the Tigers at Gold Coast and Green play at 6 for Melbourne, our favourite son ST didn't feature due to tight hamstrings and everything Madge touches turns to gold at the moment...even Pettybourne looked half decent. Furthermore you can consider the players that aren't running around and are either working behind the scenes in the NRL or in the media - Carmont, Finch, Riddell.
The point is this, look at our line ups for the last two GF wins and the CC win in 2010, 2011 and 2013:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Super ... rand_Final
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Challenge_Cup
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Super ... rand_Final
We have lost an awful lot of talent over the last five years and some of it is making strides in the NRL, what have we replaced them with? - Some will point out the salary cap is to blame and to some extent they would be correct as the player drain continues from SL to the NRL.
Whilst its nice to see the conveyor belt of young talent coming through our ranks...before it heads to the bright lights of the NRL (Burgess) we have shifted from attracting experienced talent to big fish in little ponds, unproven overseas recruits and players returning from RU.
Compound this with an inability to close out games at present, the loss of several forwards in the off season, poor recruitment policies and Mr Pewterschmidt cutting every possible corner to increase profits it's been starting to unravel.
I hope it starts to come together and SW turns it around, as people have pointed out Flower and Mossop will be welcome returns and Bateman is exceptional. However, Williams is inexperienced at 6, Farrell is giving away far too many penalities and Gelling is becoming our Francis Meli i.e. a liability. |
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Whilst I think Friday's performance against Cas was nothing short of appalling I'm not going to hit the panic button just yet, in the words of Nobby they'll have to put 'humpty dumpty back together again'.
Watching the NRL start this week made me realise how many ex-Wigan players are running around that competition, I've seen Leuluai and Hoffman carry the Warriors at Newcastle, Richards drop a last minute goal to win for the Tigers at Gold Coast and Green play at 6 for Melbourne, our favourite son ST didn't feature due to tight hamstrings and everything Madge touches turns to gold at the moment...even Pettybourne looked half decent. Furthermore you can consider the players that aren't running around and are either working behind the scenes in the NRL or in the media - Carmont, Finch, Riddell.
The point is this, look at our line ups for the last two GF wins and the CC win in 2010, 2011 and 2013:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Super ... rand_Final
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Challenge_Cup
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Super ... rand_Final
We have lost an awful lot of talent over the last five years and some of it is making strides in the NRL, what have we replaced them with? - Some will point out the salary cap is to blame and to some extent they would be correct as the player drain continues from SL to the NRL.
Whilst its nice to see the conveyor belt of young talent coming through our ranks...before it heads to the bright lights of the NRL (Burgess) we have shifted from attracting experienced talent to big fish in little ponds, unproven overseas recruits and players returning from RU.
Compound this with an inability to close out games at present, the loss of several forwards in the off season, poor recruitment policies and Mr Pewterschmidt cutting every possible corner to increase profits it's been starting to unravel.
I hope it starts to come together and SW turns it around, as people have pointed out Flower and Mossop will be welcome returns and Bateman is exceptional. However, Williams is inexperienced at 6, Farrell is giving away far too many penalities and Gelling is becoming our Francis Meli i.e. a liability. | |
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| Quote: yickpie24 "Whilst I think Friday's performance against Cas was nothing short of appalling I'm not going to hit the panic button just yet, in the words of Nobby they'll have to put 'humpty dumpty back together again'.
Watching the NRL start this week made me realise how many ex-Wigan players are running around that competition, I've seen Leuluai and Hoffman carry the Warriors at Newcastle, Richards drop a last minute goal to win for the Tigers at Gold Coast and Green play at 6 for Melbourne, our favourite son ST didn't feature due to tight hamstrings and everything Madge touches turns to gold at the moment...even Pettybourne looked half decent. Furthermore you can consider the players that aren't running around and are either working behind the scenes in the NRL or in the media - Carmont, Finch, Riddell.
The point is this, look at our line ups for the last two GF wins and the CC win in 2010, 2011 and 2013:
So Aussies and NZer's have gone home when there is MUCH more money on the table in the NRL... It's really not rocket science... Too many of us are living in the past, and should realise it's the lack of money in SL is doing the damage.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "There was a story in the Aussie press after Brisbane's first day of pre season saying Eden had come dead last in the fitness tests. Out of all the props and including big backrowers like Thaiday the guy was the most unfit and was really struggling to get through it.
Strikes me as a lad who let hype get to his head! The fact that Sam Tomkins was always the opposite set him apart from guys like Eastmond, Myler and latterly people like Eden.'"
Actually that was in mid 30's and high humidity and he struggled liked most people would on their first day if you had just come over from the UK. He wasn't unfit, he just struggled with the conditions. Hardly surprising. |
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| Quote: Bondi_Warrior "Actually that was in mid 30's and high humidity and he struggled liked most people would on their first day if you had just come over from the UK. He wasn't unfit, he just struggled with the conditions. Hardly surprising.'"
It must have been a lazy piece of journalism by an Aussie bagging a Pom then.
Even less surprising. |
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