Where as that intensity gone tho, i really home we can recapture it tho

All 1 of them wasn't it

Seem to recall people saying these things in 2016 including Bilko having a public spat with players. We won the league that year.

I'll judge us when we have more of our pack left.

Edit - players back even

With bodies back this team is more than good enough, we have seen some of the performances this season that prove that.

1 more than you've got missing today

Fair enough but think I've seen enough this year that i don't think we will out, obviously hope I'm bloody wrong

All taking aside, from an outside point of view, you dont create anything, I think you guys went a bit ott with shorrocks performance in the good Friday games yes he was influential in some big defensive moments, but he created nowt, and didn't in any subsequent games.

Harry Smith is a marc sneyd style half back for me, good on the front foot, keeps you ticking over but if you're behind, he isn't getting you back into a game.

It was the 2nd half in the Hull game, they didn't bite in, when defending and didn't panic when French got the ball, no gaps appeared and he threw some daft passes.

If teams don't panic in front of French then there's not much to worry about with wigan.

3 weeks on a bounce we physically dominated 3 of the best teams in league in Leigh, Saints and then Wire, we have been indifferent either side of that and could have lost a couple more than we have but I still think we have the quality to be in with a shout come October, I don’t think we have much chance of winning the cup however but fingers crossed for 2 weeks time.

Yeah, Smiths long kicking game is brilliant but he’s not the most creative and he’s slow, it’s almost the opposite of the situation when Williams was here, together they’d compliment each other well but they both missed a complimenting half. We just need to hope Field can slot into the halves and do well.

It would not surprise me if it's you and saints in thr gf, or you saints or catalans, some combination, there's early signs of us "pulling a warrington" bubbling here at the moment.

It wasn't though was it, and you soon vanished off this board when it was pointed out

Exactly this.

I don't disagree, but I'm going to shudder to look back on some of those soft tries we conceded this afternoon.

Our pack isn’t great when fully fit but taking 5 out has means we are there for the taking.

Havard putting in unreal 65 minute stint had been papering over the cracks.

We’ll get trampled over by saints and wire then be out the cup and about 5th in the league. Depressing.

That's the key here. We already had a pack that struggled occasionally even with our first choice out.

You remove at least 3 starters (first choice 17) plus a few backups and we're really light. Hill and Nsemba are players we shouldn't be seeing 3 and 4 weeks in a row.

We've still got enough to beat any side with our strike power but when a side gets a roll on we're going to really struggle to contain them.