I thought as much, heard it at the Leeds match and gave them credit for it.

The Wigan fans I spoke with didn't didn't sing it as much after I turned the conversation onto 2011 playoffs, not been good enough to win it 5 times is no fun but being turned over home and away by the bottlers takes some doing!

I thought as much, heard it at the Leeds match and gave them credit for it.

The Wigan fans I spoke with didn't didn't sing it as much after I turned the conversation onto 2011 playoffs, not being good enough to win it 5 times is no fun but being turned over home and away by the bottlers takes some doing!

No straws there, just facts

So, just how many playoff games have you won since its inception?

I don't know off the top of my head,you tell me.

whatever figure you give what I said still stands doesn't it?

Of course it still stands, did i say otherwise... Its just that you don't come here bragging in a position of strength...

There's no bragging from this one, just pointing something out. Losing 5 finals leaves you little to brag about, but if other teams want to remind us of that then it's only fair it's evened up is it not?

We weren't bragging, just mocking

I haven't said you were bragging, nothing for you to brag about on this front really. I know it was just a playful mock, which is just what mine was.

You take 2011 playoffs.

I'll gladly take 2011 CC semi.




Oh. And 2010 GF (you know the one - where we absolutely ravaged you).

Difference is, they won the play-off semi and then didn't win the final. Nobody will remember that saints came second. We won the cup semi... then won the final, we are still the current holders.

Throw in the 2010 GF along with the last derby at Knowsley Road and the first and Langtree park... I think we have had the better of saints in the derby over the last few years.