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Quote: Jukesays "Yeah, cos we had a Great one before he came in didn't we!

MY take in it, He has to decide 4 from 5 if all are fit!

He either picks 2 x HB's & 2 x Hookers

OR

As I would do, Play 3 HB's with 1 off the Bench (ST for me) and drop either Riddell or MM (I would play Riddell).'"


Great minds think alike.

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Quote: Andy Greg "Think you will find he did that earlier in the year with Smith dont think he is scared to tell players they are dropped.'"


He had no other choice but to drop Smith after his horrible defensive display.

Noble only plays the kids when his hand is forced and he has no other options. When they perhaps do nothing spectacular or make a little mistake he is quick to drop them, Ainscough being the prime example. Fair enough drop them for a week or so but to leave him out of the team as long as he has is complete joke.

Reverse this and look at perhaps more senior imports he gives them plenty of chances will even go as far as to play them when they are not fully fit. e.g Carmont and Riddell.

Riddell HAS to be dropped this week IMO as he has not produced the goods. Its between him and Micky Mc for the last spot of the 4. As IMO TL, TS and ST all deserve to be in the 17.

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Quote: - Neil - "]Riddell HAS to be dropped this week IMO as he has not produced the goods. Its between him and Micky Mc for the last spot of the 4. As IMO TL, TS and ST all deserve to be in the 17.'"


Spot on.

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Quote: Jukesays "It would have been easier for him to drop McCollorum IMO but he hasn't??'"


It wouldn't be because he's playing better then the only other player in his position who Noble would have picked ahead of him.

Lets face facts Noble doesn't trust young players! It's always been the same during his time here and that won't change.

When we got battered against Saints at MM last year he blamed the defeat on the younger players after the game.............not the likes of Fielden who took 3 drives in all game(literally), Not Mathers who was a shambles at the back no he blamed the likes of O'Carroll and Goulding who'd actually done more then most senior players.

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On recent performances I'd go for

Phelps
Roberts
Gleeson
Carmont
Richards
Smith
Leuleui
Coley
Mcllorum
Fielden
Hock
Tomkins
Lockers

Bench
Prescott
Hansen
Tomkins
Feka

Riddell to miss out

Mcllourm playing really well the only thing riddell brings to us more than mcllorum is kicking option and when he does is token drive

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Quote: Alex BP' "Spot on.'"


In your opinion, I would play Riddell.

It's a bit like those who all wanted Ainscough in Every game yet when he is included for the Warrington Game (Albeit through inury to Carmont etc)and does nothing and is exposed You don't hear diddly Squat!

Yet it seems to be the ones who Hate (And I know that's a strong term but TBH it appears from many posters that's what they feel) Noble are also the ones who criticise EVERY decision more as a way of it being Another chance to get at Noble rather than what is best for the team/individual/club over the season.

MM had 2 x great games against Saints/Wakey in CC.
He was pretty good againsy HKR at home and then OK/Average at Wire & Salford last week.

Maybe a break would do him good for a week or so as he would almost certainly play next week with ST being away???

End of the day BN IMO should pick the team He thinks will win games.

I for one think we stand a better chance in most games with a "Starting" trio of Roberts/Smith/Riddell than Ainscough/Tomkins/MM.

That leaves 1 place on the bench & I would go for ST over Ainscough & MM.
The other 2 x will get their chance at some point and in time no doubt will get starting places if their form warrants it.

Other thing is we have 1/2 dozen people so far on this thread (And another Thousand or so experts inc me) Who if asked to pick a Team when the squad is fully fit would Pick different teams.

Noble picks His and 90% of them are unhappy for one reason or another!

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Quote: - Neil - "He had no other choice but to drop Smith after his horrible defensive display.

Noble only plays the kids when his hand is forced and he has no other options. When they perhaps do nothing spectacular or make a little mistake he is quick to drop them, Ainscough being the prime example. Fair enough drop them for a week or so but to leave him out of the team as long as he has is complete joke.

Reverse this and look at perhaps more senior imports he gives them plenty of chances will even go as far as to play them when they are not fully fit. e.g Carmont and Riddell.

Riddell HAS to be dropped this week IMO as he has not produced the goods. Its between him and Micky Mc for the last spot of the 4. As IMO TL, TS and ST all deserve to be in the 17.'"


The easier option for Noble though (from a fans backlash point of view) would be to drop McIllorum rather than Sam, leaving Piggy and Tommy in the hooker positions and Sam & Tim at halfback, as Sam is obviously a fans favourite.

McIllorum is also a homegrown 'kid' and Noble seems to be picking him on form (as at the start of the season it looked like he probably wouldn't get a look in).

At then end of the day Noble has to make a decision based upon what he feels is best for the team overall and not on individuals or fans favourites.

It's easy to criticise riddell but IMO he hasn't performed that badly to earn the sort of criticism he's getting. People quickly come up with a scapegoat (and now Mathers has gone Piggy now is the No.1 target) rather than view actual contribution on the field.

I'd like Sam to be in the 17 and think he offers great individual attacking options especially from the bench, but IMO I don't feel he's really stood out in organisation and control of the game - and that possibly why Noble will go for other options.

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Quote: NickyKiss "It wouldn't be because he's playing better then the only other player in his position who Noble would have picked ahead of him.

But Tomkins is supposedly playing better than Smith so where does that argument stand up????

I was saying as a "Team" i.e 1-17 it would have just been as easy to leave MM out but he hasn't????


Lets face facts Noble doesn't trust young players! It's always been the same during his time here and that won't change.

And I say look where we were when we had too many of them during our illustrious years of 2005/2006!!!
We are as a Squad of say 20 players - The 19 named Tonight plus say Ainscough who is the other Pushing for a place, On average compared to other teams 1st 20 players, relatively a Young Squad ( I would guess around the 25 mark), That shows to me that Noble is encouraging a more Youthful set up as a Whole but with a tendancy to rotate the Younger element around.
Quite sensible IMO!


When we got battered against Saints at MM last year he blamed the defeat on the younger players after the game.............not the likes of Fielden who took 3 drives in all game(literally), Not Mathers who was a shambles at the back no he blamed the likes of O'Carroll and Goulding who'd actually done more then most senior players.'"


Can't remember the exact details, was probably in a drunken stooper trying to forget it!!!!

But Goulding was shocking and O'Carroll wasn't far behind!

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Quote: Jukesays "Can't remember the exact details, was probably in a drunken stooper trying to forget it!!!!

But Goulding was shocking and O'Carroll wasn't far behind!'"



Didn't know you were that way inclined Andy !!!!!!!!!! icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Big Steve "The easier option for Noble though (from a fans backlash point of view) would be to drop McIllorum rather than Sam, leaving Piggy and Tommy in the hooker positions and Sam & Tim at halfback, as Sam is obviously a fans favourite.

Correct!

McIllorum is also a homegrown 'kid' and Noble seems to be picking him on form (as at the start of the season it looked like he probably wouldn't get a look in).

Correct! (apart from him eing from Leeds But I know what you mean 4.1748046875:5
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