Wow, that was deep.

So basically you have....

True. I think too many people are quick to judge. Without having operated in the exact same environment, none of us are really at liberty to say what we would or wouldn't do or what mistakes we would or wouldn't make. The only thing that matters here is Hohaia is ok and that the RFL deal with the events in a proper manner. The club and player have issued their apology and it doesn't attempt to fudge the issue which is all you can reasonably ask.

I for one hope Flower gets a lot of emotional support from Wigan. The abuse he's going to get will put a lot of pressure on him and he's going to need support

I'm sorry but how is standing over a stricken man that you have just knocked out, grabbing him by his collar and punching him again "emotions getting the better of him"? That's BS. There are no excuses and no mitigation for what he did and no apology will ever reverse the damage he has caused to the game of rugby league. I really don't get how on one hand wane can apologise after he has been caught on camera telling his players to knock people out?

Regards

King James

A broken nose actually and is under observation for head injury as he was knocked unconscious. Head injuries can lay dormant for a number of days.

Mike Rush claimed nothing was broken. He was due for a scan though in the week. Hopefully he's OK.

All these people bringing up Waney's team talk in the edited documentary make me laugh. Do you seriously think Nathan Brown didn't say something very similar to a Mr Mosoe last night.....

No. That's pretty much why he took him off the pitch, because he was too wound up after the fracas. Were Wigan were itching for retribution after the sending off (which you could see with quite a few high shots) Saints had calmed it down and acted to take the emotion out of it and do a professional job on you.

No he took him off because he was blowing out of his

Haha, definitely. I had someone on the Saints forum call me a pr*** just for pointing that out. He was on his hands and knees after about 6 minutes. Is he really a professional athlete?

I agree with you, I don’t know the man personally but doubt he’s as bad a man as some would like to make out. I’d guess he must be at very low point now, probably one of the lowest points of his life, and he will pay for what he has done in more ways than just a long ban and a fine. It’s sad to say, but I think true, that if another player was in a similar situation to his and couldn’t cope mentally and did something drastic, I do believe that some pond life on these boards would relish it and come out with some kind of sick making comments like some I’ve read in the past. So as you say let’s all get over it now and move on…..PLEASE!

Wasn't the first penalty of the match within 3 tackles (shall we say 30 seconds) for a head high shot from a St Helens player?

Their whole game plan was evident in the first three tackles and it was to rough us up. Wigan unfortunately fell hook line and sinker into it and Flower lost his temper. Box ticked from Saints who went on to win the game. Maybe undeservedly but I'm sure that nice shiny trophy is all they care about.

How about none?

Or maybe Brown had given instructions to smash the Wigan players which is exactly what LH did? Brown has form for suggesting he will let his players do such things. You may as well mention that if you are going to bring up a team talk from months ago as a factor

How about that the incident was a self contained episode in the match with what led to the incident being what LH did with his elbows and BF over-reacted with the second punch?

I suppose people prefer the conspiracy theories.

What I am pretty sure of is that the part of the statement about Wigan playing hard but fair [iis[/i a reaction to what was said in the documentary because people [iwill [/iput two and two together and come up with five here.

I also doubt we will be seeing another such documentary anytime soon.

I for one welcome the apology, the game hinged on the one incident, if he caught the ball, probably scores a try, doesn't get stiff armed, doesn't get sent off, we win by 20+.

Hey ho, that's rugby though.

I for one cannot say I have never lost my temper and done something I regretted. Difference is, it wasn't in front of 70+k people and millions on telly and the media are still going on about it 2 days later.

Cut the guy some slack, he'll be feeling a lot worse than any of us.

Maybe you can give this discussion some context by telling us what you think of Jamie "Elbows" Peacock, or Carl "Elbows" Ablett?

I know you won't, but the least I can do is ask.