Because, like Rafa, DaveO's opinions are FACTS!!!



Roberts is like a different player, and his first two performances have been a joy to behold.

No Dave you are wrong, again. There were quite a few of us telling you last season that Roberts was the best winger at the club. It's just that you had your Ainscough eyes on, and then blamed Noble.

What will be your thoughts if next week Maguire picks Goulding or Pryce on the wing?

It will be a toughie, becuase its will be the well its not Noble argument v the Ainscough love in. I predict no comment!

Well said fully agree keep it up Amos, I did feel sorry for Amos last season the skill was there but didn`t seem to come out and sometimes he was the scapegoat when things went wrong, But well done lad long may it last.

Well we will just have to disagree on that because he was nothing special at all last season and I have no idea why anyone thinks he was a good player for us in 2009. Those signing "Your not Amos any more" or whatever mentioned earlier in the thread are not wrong!



What's has being better then them got to do with it? It's about being good enough in absolute terms and I am confident the vast majority of Wigan fans were none too impressed with him last season but are pleasantly surprised so far this. And that is not just based on what I think people who post on here think about it but the opinions of people at the DW/JJB last season and this.

I can honestly say no one sat around me was impressed with him in 2009 but everyone is now singing his praises. What on earth is wrong with acknowledging he was nothing special in 2009 but looks a different player in 2010????

Dave

I have to agree he was a little off last year he looked poor under the high ball, teams often kicked to him, and although chasing back his pace did get us out of trouble sometimes (which Phil Clarke often went on about), going forward he seemed to lack that killer edge. This year he seems to me to be a little bit fitter a lot keaner and a damn site better, he came with a big reputation and scored a lot of tries down under, he can be forgiven in his first year (like Richards), as long as he kicks on from now on, he has made a good start I just hope he continues because if he is scoring and Richards is scoring and Gleeson and Carmont weigh in with their fair share of tries then we are in for a good year.

No its you who are wrong - yet again because you had [unothing[/u at all to base that opinion on.

Or do you go off reputation rather than what you actually see with out own eyes?

Why was I wrong? Because he was ripping up sides week in week out and being a rock in defence? He was neither.



Well IMO the support for Roberts came from the pro Noble brigade who had to justify his selection to support the coach. It's the same now as the attempts to rewrite history that he was obviously a top player for us in 2009 show





He won't pick Pryce in a game like that and given Goulding has bee in the 19 for the past two weeks but has missed out I can't see MM bringing back a player on loan even if it is dual registered in favour of Goulding.

It seem pretty logical to me he will pick Goulding but you obviously want to know would I prefer Ainscough. I would say yes because Ainscough has that something about him that makes him a dangerous player.

I suspect Goulding could not go out on a dual contact due to how much he earns so Ainscough went and I don't think he will be called back given Goulding is fit and is a good player in his own right.

As an aside I am sure I have read somewhere Goulding is off to Salford (might have been on Mikes forum) whether loan or permanent I don't know but if he is going that would increase the chances of Ainscough being called back depending when(if) he goes.

Dave

Defensively is Goulding up for it love him or hate him Briers is no mug and will kick to whoever comes in I just wonder will Pryce be a better option than Goulding. I would like to see Ainscough back but I would also like to see Josh get a shot at the FB role.

God I wouldn't like to be Maguire at the moment, but I suppose that what he gets paid for making the big calls.

I've mentioned this before on here. I spoke to Amos last year, and he told me that the injury he had before last season started meant he wasn't fully fit and carried that injury into the season. His exact words to me were "Give me a proper off season and I'll show what I can do." And he did start playing better in the second half of the season.

Amos WAS a good player last year, our team just never attacked down the right hand side. Has everyone forgot all the moaning that was happening about Gleeson not being the player he should be too? When the ball did eventually find its way to the right hand side and Sam Tomkins missed out his brother, Amos did as much as Richards in attack. And no one on here said Richards was bad.

The fact that our team has learned to attack down the right hand side as well now, is maybe highlighting how much better Amos is playing, because he's getting more ball.


I will say one thing though... I didn't notice the ball land in Amos' hands all that much when Hull KR were kicking to his wing. That's still something that needs work on I feel.

It's not re-writing history to say in the second half of last season Roberts was the best winger at the club.

Better than Pat??? Just a question not a dig, but how do you come to this conclusion????

Because that is his, and a lot of other people's opinion? Because when DaveO states something it isn't actually FACT?

Big difference is, those who wanted Ainscough in the team at whatever expense used Roberts as the scapegoat to try and make that happen.

Those who Knew (In their opinion) that Roberts was a Good un and was playing well didn't need to have a pop at anyone else to justify his inclusion.

It's too easy for people to talk about him being a "Different Player" or he's playing Better because of a "Diggerent coach".

End of the day he was IMO & a lot of others, the best winger in the club last year and certainly the best right winger. His performances have got better, but I would say he's gone from a 8/10 to a 9/10 player for us.
Not the 4/10 to 8/10 that some people would, in their opinion, have you believe.

Last year certain posters claimed BN had a vendetta out against Ainscough and his non-inclusion was a disgrace and a complete mess up on BN's Part.

I asked the question, what will you say when MM picks Roberts over Ainscough? I again ask this question.
People will say oh well, that's because he is playing better than Ainscough now but he wasn't last year! Well I don't agree, I can't "PROVE" it, no-one can prove otherwise though.
All I know is that MM has picked almost the same team that BN did, he may be getting more out of them (We have a long way to go to prove this one yet) but that's a different argument.