Let's all agree Coote can play but unfortunately for him one of these days he will get hurt in a tackle and every man and his dog is going to ignore him fully expecting one of his Lazarus like recoveries to take place

You mean when Barba wasn’t a Saints player?

Exactly. I agree with NK that it’s creeping in and it’s awful to watch. What I don’t agree with is that Saints are worse than anyone else, which is what is being suggested.

I'll have a little bet that whe the term "Play acting" was used as the subject the OP wasn't thinking of wrapping legs, hands in the tackle etc.

They were talking about feigning injuries, holding necks after every tackle, going down in the line when defending etc etc

Thats play acting, thats cheating, that's embarrassing
And I suspect that's what NK was referring to particularly in the case of Coote and his dying Swan acts.
I bet he's gone down like he's been shot more in the last 12 months than in his previous 12 season !

I haven’t suggested your worse than anyone else on that score at all but there have been high profile incidents in Saints last two games of your players acting up for the ref and trying to get opposition players in trouble. On the play acting front your much of a muchness in fairness. I’d say your in the top few teams in the league but nobody is perfect. My main issue with Saints has been around that All Stars game and the timing of your Covid troubles. I can’t lie, I think you’ve taken the pi*s but again, we don’t agree and that’s fair enough.

And when Tommy Makinson wasn't a Saints player too?

How about Hardaker's misdemeanours being before he ever pulled a Wigan shirt on? Oh! That's right, I forgot. That doesn't count because he isn't a Saints player.

Look mate, Saints and their players are no Saints (pun intended) either and that's fine. At least have the decency to recognise that their constant play acting, surrounding the ref, convenient Covid, ball tampering and offering contracts to wife beating thugs among other things is worthy of its own list if you're making them. I don't think 'just missing a couple of games' covers it, do you?

Saints do seem to be worse for diving/feigning injury right now to be fair. All teams look to milk set restarts though. I'm just wary of getting on my high horse about it because I think everyone else will follow suit.

Hardaker got done for drink driving when he was a Wigan player didn't he?

As for the rest of it, the "constant play acting, surrounding the ref, convenient Covid" is no different to any other team. The ball tampering fair enough, brain explosions from Makinson you can't really explain or justify. And didn't Barba become a "wife beating thug" AFTER he left Saints? Or if he was in trouble for the same thing before he came over then I am wrong.

I personally thought that Wellens was the greatest advocate of trying a take-off from a standing start !

We'll start with this shall we

In 2013 the NRL investigated Barba after his on and off girlfriend, Currie, claimed he punched her in the face, and sent pictures to a friend showing her bloodied chin

Anyway
Let's all stop getting away from the point

Coote and his play acting antics are embarrassing
Teams feigning injury so they get extra time to set densive line embarrassing , holding heads to stop play 30 yard in back play embarrassing, players holding necks so video ref takes 10 looks to et a penalty embarrassing, players showing yellow cards embarrassing, players getting a tap on the back of the head (coote again Monday night) then going down holding their face for a penalty embarrassing

What was the old saying "Footballers spend 90 minutes pretending to be hurt. Rugby players spend 80 minutes pretending not to be".

Very soon to be confined to the history books
And Grimmy, this isbwhat was saying was going to happen

Spot on, 100% correct. All teams are guilty of it sadly.

I don't agree
Saunts have been pretty good tbf at the going down in back play stuff, but the play acting in terms of taking a tackle after a kick or a slight tap above the shoulder and going down like theyve been shot has been particularly bad.

I can't give Wigan much credit this year and I do believe a lot of our indiscipline has come through frustration at our poor play (and imo poor coaching). The indiscipline of the usual penalty type i.e. lying on, hands in ruck, high shots, haradkers headbutt, Singleton retaliating and punching etc we have been very poor at.
But I honestly believe in terms of the players acting around injuries either by holding necks, going down in back play using HIA rules and play acting of the dying Swan type then Wigan have been very good.

The worst teams I have seen for the holding heads/holding necks/going down in back play to get the game stopped etc have been wakefield and Huddersfield with HKR/Wire/cas not far behind From the games I've seen.(huddersfield being particularly bad).

NK said a few weeks ago, in a bleak season for Wigan, its the only thing (along with the covid card that we haven't played even though in one of your previous posts you mentioned Wigans games called off by covid, we haven't had any I dont think and if we did it would have been the other team.) that i can feel proud of.

Forums etc are particularly bad imo at whipping up both frenzied anger and blinkered views when either a/thigs are going bad (Wigan) and when things are going well (saints)

At the moment Wigan fans (certainly the most voiceforous on social media etc) are whipping themselves up into a frenzy and making it feel like the whole worlds about to end (when in reality and imo were a good coach away from resolving 80% of the issues) a bit like Saints were 4 years ago under a series of poor coaches.

Whilst over at Saints everything is rosey and your living in a blissful paradise when it isn't (both on and off the field). IMO the echo Chambers of Redvee exaggerate that. Thats why I'd rather be on here as you donget more varied opinions and I welcome opposition fans, in fact I wish there was far more. But the likes of redvee and our other site live 99% world of arent we brilliant or aren't we awful with no outside perspective.

Purely in the swan diving and play acting going down feigning injury on tackles after kicks and Slight high shots Saints have been one of the worst, other areas as I say theyve been pretty good.