I agree it's not like Westwoods last year, Flower's was far far worse, Could you explain exactly what you mean by your last sentence.

I think Wane would have said something he might regret had he done so.

I also think the "hurt" comments are to do with hitting hard. I think it's a bit hypocritical of other fans as they would love it if there was a huge tackle on say Smith or Green that left them winded or made them think twice about doing certain things. It's been part of the game as long as I can remember. Equating what Flower did as part of Wane's tactics is crazy.

How can you wind a player below the knees and around the head.

I think what they meant was Westwoods was an unprovoked attack on a player on the ground. a stupid reaction to having an elbow in the face, just a deliberate attempt to take a player out of the game. Which is where the hypocrisy comes from that its Wigan who are a bunch of thugs. Westwood led the way on that score.

You don't give up I'll give you that

Flower lost his head and did something stupid, Westwood without any emotion put in a sly punch on Green to try and take him out of the game. Obviously Flowers was worse but there is no way on Earth that his was tactics or gamesmanship like some people have been saying.

And with Walsh and Lomax I think we would have cruised it ... such is life.

But when most RL fans would have watched Wane's speech in New Zealand and heard his not so subtle distaste for Saints following the Wire game, you have to accept that these conclusions will be jumped to?

Priceless

What planet are you on? That last punch on someone unconcious could have been fatal.

You can come to whatever conclusion you like, but do you really think Ben Flower was thinking of Wane when he did that tonight? He saw red, that incident has nothing to do with tactics.

What does that even have to do with what I said? The punch could have been fatal so that proves it was tactics by the mastermind Wane? I feel like you've probably misunderstood what I'm saying here.

But we also have evidence that Wigan's coach has encouraged "mayhem" in a friendly. How far would he go in a game that means something?

Purely hypothetical of course, but the point has to be raised and should not be dismissed too easily in my opinion.

This is by far the best thread ive ever seen. Cheers Dave O.

I knew we would win a grand final when it didn't rain.God I am sooooooo happy.enjoy your evening.