Isnt that funny! I new this thread would be up the minute he dropped/missed the bomb and didnt go the length of the field against the best team in the world. I also new the knives would be out for sinfield because he didn't crap a miracle everytime he got the ball under massive defensive pressure from the best team in the world.


It's all pretty pathetic really.

so it was tomkins fault we got back into the game against aus at wembley! plus the fact he ripped the kiwis apart last week. But I know, lets rip sam apart and blame him for a 22 point swing eh?

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I'm not blaming him in anyway for the loss tonight, too many players didn't perform, but surely this must put the 'best fullback in the world' talk to bed once and for all. The only way he could lay claim to that, is to go to the NRL and prove himself week in week out.

This is all spot on. I'd add that our kicking game was terrible because the Aussies, to their credit, pressured the hell out of it, while we let Thurston and Lockyer have all the time they wanted to choose where to put their kicks.

Too many otherwise excellent players (not just Tomkins, but also Ellis, Sinfield, Roby and others) had bad games for it to be assumed that the problem is anything but systemic.

This must be a joke. Sinfield was seriously awful all night.

Rubbish. In the same way Tomkin couldn't be effective what was sinfield supposed to produce kicking out of his own 25/30 Time and time again. When we did manage to get out of our own half he was under intense pressure from the best defence in the world pretty much everytime he got the ball.

Your post is based on agenda and not actually what happens in the game.

Sinfield gave us a poor kicking game. Much of our attacking play was poor because of him, he is not a quick enough physically or mentally to play 6 at this level. He is not a quick enough thinker in this position, we totally lacked organisation (partly his responsability).

I said it at the start of the tournament.

We have the number 6 sitting on the bench who started all year for the team who finished top of the NRL, he is a young player and we should be building for the 2013WC. Widdop should be the 6 not Sinfield.

What has Tomkins got to do with this? He was totally out of the game, but my post was about Sinfield.

It's a thread about who's to blame. Basically some silly fools are saying it was Tomkin. Instead of fans just saying rubbish it was many variables others just as foolish have said it's sinfield.

it's reactive fools posting rubbish. Probably with a few drinks in em and as you have admitted you had an agenda pre tournament.

I would rather be proved wrong. I want him to do well in an England shirt. I did not will him to fail.

Sinfield is NOT good enough, he is miles behind the aussie half-backs. Like I said, Widdop goes toe to toe with these players every week and has looked pure class at times. Sinfield is not good enough, he proved it tonight. His first few kicks said it all, Thurston put in a quality kick to grab a try, Sinfield had the same chance and kicked it dead.

Sinfield has been a standout performer for England and was one of the better players tonight. Lockyers fist too passes were shocking tonight and thurston through some drivel too. They are 2 of the greats and even they had a few dodgy moments. You pick sinfield out and say he's not good enough. He's prove plenty of times he is. But that will never be good enough for you.

Because you post foolish rubbish which is agenda based.

That does not even deserve a response really. You are a Leeds fan, he is a Leeds player. He has not proved it plenty of times on the international stage. He has played best when at hooker IMO, it allows him to organise but he is never a 6. You are the only person I have come across who thinks he has been a standout performer. Deary me.

I am making my judgement on what is infront of me.

You can carry on in your mind and try and convince me he has been 'a standout performer' but you won't change my mind. I will go with the majority on this one.

The players to blame for the loss are Sinfield and Chase! Whole point of bringing in Sinfield is for his kicking game and it was shocking all he had to do was take a leaf out of Briers book from the week before and we would of been able to Australia under substantial pressure. As for Chase he isn't a team player and he is too slow\indecisive in spreading the ball. All needed to do is look how Wigan involve Sam and mirror that. I lost count the number of times head ignored. This says alot about the coach tbh. Also Widdop should start every game!

I agree, wilkin isn't good enough at international level but has held his own this year in the four nations. I've been Wilkins biggest critic over the past four years but even I have admitted he's had a very good 2011 and looked more like the wilkin of 2006 when he looked to have the world at his feet.

I also question if ben Westwood is good enough at this level, he's looked out of his league and not the player he is at super league level.

I'd also class o'loughlin as not being good enough on the international stage. He's to slow and to small at this level and finds himself being hammered nearly every time he touches the ball and gives far to many pens away which will be punished by kiwi or Aussie side.

Locker tho, IMO is a very good club man, he's Wigan thru and thru and would die for Wigan. He never gives anything less than 100%.

We were beaten by a team that did their homework on our better players, our pack and particularly Sam. Our flanks were extremely lethargic all game and Reed was totally anonymous which surprised me. Briscoe & Yeaman were the worst - Had they been pushing up with Ryan Hall when he passed to them we would have had a half chance on the left early on. These aren't to blame individualy for the loss but these type of examples contributed to giving the Aussies the upper hand.

The difference between the teams was the kicking game last night. Australia were putting in effective attacking kicks from good field position, wheras Sinfield was having to kick on the back of some pretty poor field position due to some very strong defence from the Aussies. The Aussies did nothing special last night, they were just very effective at what they did do and worked tirelesly to get the ball back off us. Sam wasn't given an inch which nullified him but to suggest he should be moved to 6 is utter garbage. Sam Tomkins needs a strong pack to be effective and he didn't get that last night. He is 2nd only to Billy Slater as the best full back in the world - He proved that during this tournament. (Brett Hodgson is a cracking full back and I remember the shocker he had in the CC semi this year - Still didn't make him a bad player). The whole England squad had an off night tonight and the Aussies were there for the taking which is frustrating but lets not forget that England destroyed the Kiwis a week ago !

I have been a big critic of Mcnamara but at least he is English and as stated in an earlier post, he has put some decent things in place. The biggest error Mcnamara made was not giving Widdop more game time.

Peacock made some good points in an interview and I agree that we aren't a million miles away anymore. A few tweaks are required that is all. The future of English RL looks far more rosier than it did 5 years ago and we have some promising young players coming through.

All in all I have enjoyed the performances from all the players and to have been able to watch the games with optimism has been a breath of fresh air.