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Quote: Pat's big right boot "Where this myth that Sams defense is weak comes from i dont know. His defense is excellent for his size. Of course if someone breaks through our line with support, 9 times out of 10 they are gonna get past him, like anyone else in that position. If it was a 1 on 1 though I would have confidence everytime. Still got that vivid image in the grand final of his 1 v 1 tackle on Matty Smith. He would be more than fine at 6 in regards to tackling. Which is where he should play
He made some cracking 1 on 1 tackles in the play-off semi final at Leeds last year!

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I do not have a problem with Sams defence, his ability under the high all is not the best, but at Sl level it is acceptable.

I personally feel he needs to get his hands on the ball as much as possible in an attacking position. At 1 he relies on others to get the ball to him, at 6 he is the master of his own destiny.

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Quote: jonh "I do not have a problem with Sams defence, his ability under the high all is not the best, but at Sl level it is acceptable.

I personally feel he needs to get his hands on the ball as much as possible in an attacking position. At 1 he relies on others to get the ball to him, at 6 he is the master of his own destiny.'"


i completly agree,
i also think that he is a player that plays on instinct rather than thinking about the play, he just does it and it works, i dont think he knows what he is going to do next let alone everyone else.
if he is at full back he is met everytime with a wall of players, when he is at 6 he is up in the line, loads of protection, and he can read the game better that way, and mayb this will help get rid of his greedy side.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: Dave26 "He made some cracking 1 on 1 tackles in the play-off semi final at Leeds last year!'"


He saved a try today from a big fella running at the line...

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Sam's defence is superb!
I remember one set last season where he made every single tackle!

Forget which match it was in but I bet someone on here can remember it. Hes superb regardless of his size

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Quote: jonh "I do not have a problem with Sams defence, his ability under the high all is not the best, but at Sl level it is acceptable.

I personally feel he needs to get his hands on the ball as much as possible in an attacking position. At 1 he relies on others to get the ball to him, at 6 he is the master of his own destiny.'"


Just depends, once again on the structure of the team, I just fear Sam would be too much of a provider as a first receiver whereas as a FB he's running onto the ball almost given a free role in attacking linking up in the line to where he feels he can do most damage.

Until we get a strong FB I feel he's best there. Sadly, for whatever reason Roberts isn't even shinning in the reserves.

I feel you watch the NRL as I do, such a different class of FB to what we have over here currently.

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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Just depends, once again on the structure of the team, I just fear Sam would be too much of a provider as a first receiver whereas as a FB he's running onto the ball almost given a free role in attacking linking up in the line to where he feels he can do most damage.

Until we get a strong FB I feel he's best there. Sadly, for whatever reason Roberts isn't even shinning in the reserves.

I feel you watch the NRL as I do, such a different class of FB to what we have over here currently.'"


Sam for me is being used as a "best fit" NRL style fullback rather than a natural actual fullback.

Widdop would be a great signing for any team next year for mine, having a great season at 6 for the Storm, would be more than happy to sacrifice Finch who had a good game today for him.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: jonh "Sam for me is being used as a "best fit" NRL style fullback rather than a natural actual fullback.

Widdop would be a great signing for any team next year for mine, having a great season at 6 for the Storm, would be more than happy to sacrifice Finch who had a good game today for him.'"


Aye I would love for us to sign Widdop. Finch could be going back to aus so Widdop would be ideal IMO.

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Quote: jonh "Sam for me is being used as a "best fit" NRL style fullback rather than a natural actual fullback.

Widdop would be a great signing for any team next year for mine, having a great season at 6 for the Storm, would be more than happy to sacrifice Finch who had a good game today for him.'"


I watched the Storm v Pathers game and Storm v NZ Warriors recently, I was very impressed with Widdop, My choice for 6 for England.

You can see Madge molding Sam into an almost Slater/Hayne attacking FB, at times we even run the same plays as Storm.

Obviously you know I was all for trying Sam at FB, I feel it's worked, at times he can come up into the line and act as a 1st or second receiver from that position. However, it was it was my choice we'd bring in a top FB and move Sam to 6 as a true second receiver, give him practically a free role in attack.

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Unless hes got a real desire to move back to England, after his form in the first few rounds of the NRL I cant see Widdop going anywhere tbh.

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Quote: WARRIORCRAIG "Unless hes got a real desire to move back to England, after his form in the first few rounds of the NRL I cant see Widdop going anywhere tbh.'"


Agreed, I think his close family are also over there. It'll be his home.

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Yesterday, Wakefield and their fans were treated to a master-class by Sam. Yes, he can be greedy and selfish, but thats often found in legends of whatever sport you see. TBH dont really care where he plays, as long as he's in a Wigan shirt. Replacing Lockers as the boo boy of opposition fans is a mark of the fear other supporters have of him, and justifiably so.

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Quote: uglybug "Replacing Lockers as the boo boy of opposition fans is a mark of the fear other supporters have of him, and justifiably so.'"


Not meaning to stir, but that simply isn't true.

There are stacks of talented players in SL who don't get the stick Tomkins gets. He gets stick because of how he behaves on the pitch, not because he's a class act. Nobody was booing and abusing Danny McGuire when he was ripping it up for Leeds, or Pat Richards on his way to man of steel, or James Roby for Saints recently, or Vainakolo or Sam Burgess for Bulls, or Rangi Chase for Cas etc etc.

He gets stick because he has more than a slight tendency to cheat. I know you'd rather it was purely because he's a class act, but I'm afraid it just isn't.

FWIW I think he's an absolutely tremendous player by the way.

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Quote: FearTheVee "Not meaning to stir, but that simply isn't true.

There are stacks of talented players in SL who don't get the stick Tomkins gets. He gets stick because of how he behaves on the pitch, not because he's a class act. Nobody was booing and abusing Danny McGuire when he was ripping it up for Leeds, or Pat Richards on his way to man of steel, or James Roby for Saints recently, or Vainakolo or Sam Burgess for Bulls, or Rangi Chase for Cas etc etc.

He gets stick because he has more than a slight tendency to cheat. I know you'd rather it was purely because he's a class act, but I'm afraid it just isn't.

FWIW I think he's an absolutely tremendous player by the way.'"


Name one thing he did on Friday that was "cheating"

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Quote: FearTheVee "Not meaning to stir, but that simply isn't true.

There are stacks of talented players in SL who don't get the stick Tomkins gets. He gets stick because of how he behaves on the pitch, not because he's a class act. Nobody was booing and abusing Danny McGuire when he was ripping it up for Leeds, or Pat Richards on his way to man of steel, or James Roby for Saints recently, or Vainakolo or Sam Burgess for Bulls, or Rangi Chase for Cas etc etc.

He gets stick because he has more than a slight tendency to cheat. I know you'd rather it was purely because he's a class act, but I'm afraid it just isn't.

FWIW I think he's an absolutely tremendous player by the way.'"

Danny McGuire is a bigger cheat ask the Rugby Gods!

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