There is no doubt that Hardaker is a top class talent and IMO the best English FB in the game sorry Tomkins fans.
He has been given numerous chances not all known to the public by Leeds and he was bailed out by Powell who clearly thought he was getting a good un even though he knew only too well of his off field antics.
Cas is very much a club who look after their players and have taken on mis fits before and thought they could tame Hardaker too.
But he let them all down as he did Leeds and no doubt he will do it again.
I do not think for one minute Wane has better man to man to skills than the likes of Powell, Sinfield, Peacock, McDermott or Hetherington.
Even if his man to man skills are on a par with the above he will struggle to keep Hardaker on the straight and narrow and eventually it will come back to bite him and the club.
The key for me is the eventually bit in my previous sentence.
In that time Hardaker might have helped you to a GF win and possibly more and as long as he does not influence others you might feel it was money and time well spent.
For me it is probably worth the gamble as long as he keeps himself fit during his ban.
I do hope he can get back to the form he is capable of and stars for England in the future.

It was more an observation than an opinion. Look through the history of sport, top quality international commits an offence and is is far more likely his club wish to retain him, mediocre player does similar and is sacked or moved on. It’s a results based business. I doubt anyone in St Helens will be worrying about what BB has done if he helps them to Trophey’s.

Yes, in an ideal world the players would be squeeky clean and upstanding citizens, one thing many seem to forget is they are human beings and make mistakes in life like the rest of us.

Hardaker has enough quality that a large number of clubs will be after his signature once available, bottom line is he would improve our side.

Your points noted and understood Trainman.
I totally agree that we are human and we all make mistakes the problem with ZH is that he just keeps on repeating and for me it obvious he cares about himself and nobody else. I like to think I have a generous spirit but guys like that I wouldn't give a shiny shoite until he demonstrates that he wants to and can actually change.

I am with you on the "glass door affair" . If proven I would have binned him through process within 2 weeks of the incident and other the 3 guys involved would have got unpaid suspensions which by the way may have occurred.

I think I know about the "other incident" you refer that season and the 4 guys concerned were just lucky. Thick but lucky. Legally I think the club couldn't do much but for me I would have marked their cards and would have worked on getting them out of the club as soon as unless they agreed to regular "reviews" and even then I would probably still be thinking of getting rid. Yes all top players but for me it wouldn't have mattered because the board have to set the bar and in those 2 instances they didn't appear to do that.

Just seen Zak in a gym wearing a Wigan vest. One of them new ones with the 4 stars above the crest. Looks in good nick

Well, after reading this thread I will sleep very well tonight knowing we have so many saintly supporters whose farts smell like roses. You are all truly a credit to the town and club. Never put a foot wrong in your entire lives, well done!

Hardaker is literally Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Corbyn rolled into one! I mean he sniffs waff and called someone a faggot once, I’d throw away the key personally.

Exactly. Perfectly put

Some of the long winded posts here aimed simply at chastising him for his previous wrongdoings are laughable. None of us are fit or qualified to be judge, jury or executioner in his, or anyone else's case. I don't ever seem to remember reading any of this tosh regards John Bateman and that whole sorry saga.

Bottom line, he himself wants a fresh start and is more positive than ever to change, he has friends at the club and also in the Wigan area all of whom want him to be here and are supportive. He will improve the playing roster and is not commanding a large chunk of the salary cap. He is committed to charitable work and helping others and bottom line, the club has protected itself with numerous clauses within the contract*

*allegedly

You must be up at UCLAN then...where he most certainly is in the gym, doing a fitness test, but your mistaken, he's wearing a MusclePharm t-shirt

Who has said that?
Where is that posted?

I wasn't actually meaning you Itchy...we have already addressed our differences

I don't think much will be said or addressed until everything else is resolved, but I am sure all the reservations people have will soon be put to bed.

Did you have a feel or a you still banned from doing so?

A lot on here probably havent broken the law to be honest. Theres a difference in doing something wrong and breaking the law numerous times and thinking its ok

FB isn't a problem position for us. If we have any money it should be spent at Prop.

What's Jeremy Corbyn done to deserve this? Is Hardaker his fault too?

I'm with itchy on this. People are banging on how he'll play for England; he wouldn't get a place in any NRL side. He let Leeds down, he let Cas down... I'm no Columbo, but I think I see a pattern.