Not point scoring, but if someone puts something about one of players that I feel incorrect that I will challeng it, why not question the poster who mentioned a Hull player, twice when you include the poster who mentioned Shaul on a Wigan forum.

Anyway you will be fine, you will win the LLS shield now that your main two competitors have distractions and at least make the grand final.

Wow!!! Talk about getting your excuses in early!!

Do we have to attack opposition fans every time they come on here? He's not said anything wrong

No excuses, I'm happy with how the season has gone and we have exceeded all expectations already, history shows teams who make the cup often take the eye off the all ball when in the up final.

There isn't much between the 3 teams and with getting players back and no final, if expect you to win the league, both us and Warrington won't be far off though and it will be a tough Semi whoever you play.

Next year is the key for Tomkins after a good off season, I think we'll be better able to see where he is after that.
Hopefully from a Wigan point of view he won't be involved with England this autumn (and to be fair his form doesn't justify a call up), a good couple of months rest and then a good pre-season and with a bit of luck we'll get the Tomkins back that we love and everybody else is terrified of.

To get that we need all the players around him to perform, if not he's easy to mark. He's only going to be effective if he's running the ball and he's got options.

That's changed recently. 2 of the last 3 cup final winners have gone on to win the Grand Final.

I agree and that's part of the problem as well, Tomkins's best year was 2012, in that team he had Charnley Goulding Carmont Richards Finch and Leuluai around him, compare that to our team now and you'll see a lot of the problem, no one in our backs apart from Williams looks dangerous when he gets the ball so it's easy to target Sam because he's the only other possible threat, where as a few years ago you had Leuluai Finch Goulding Carmont Richards etc who looked dangerous on the ball

Leeds may have on the GF, but they lost the 3 games after the cup final, if we both do that we wont finish top of the league.

Will certainly effect both teams and it's up to Wigan to take advantage and get a home semi, which will be key.

sack Wane ? hes a great coach , wigan never thrown in the towel and are certainly the toughest team to beat week in week out, they are just poor in attack like most SL slubs , you cant win every year.

Fair enough getting beat 62-0 by Wakefield was understandable given the circumstances, but this year we definitely 'threw the towel in' against Brisbane (42-12) and Warrington away (40-10), last year we did against Castleford (42-14) and Catalans (58-16) away.


We defend well but no way are we consistently the toughest to beat. This stat is quite telling:
Times beaten by two scores (12 points) or more this season – Hull 1 Wire 1 Wigan 6


We aren't just as poor in attack as most SL clubs though, they have all scored more points than us this year except one.


We certainly don't! Surely 4 out of 5 seasons ending in neither the CC nor the GF isn't enough.

you can always point out the odd figures but they dont tell the whole storey , they didnt need to throw in the towel against Brisbane as they where on another level , just like all 3 games that where played , nothing will change that, but thats an RFL problem not a Wigan problem.

anyone who reaches the grand final there worst opponent will be wigan , nobody will fancy there chance against them on the day, and if they do turn them over it will be an absolute workathon , nobody will want to play them because of the way Wane sets his team out as a forward dominated /teritory dominated game . Yes its pretty poor to watch.

I have seen a lot of games this season and Saints v Warrington was probably the most inept attacking football (by Saints) that I have ever seen at the top level , but none of the top SL teams seem to have much in terms of attack , the odd moments of great play but on the whole seriously poorly structured attacking football throughout , almost like we are playing like the Aussies did in the early 80s where it was all defence. In our results orientated sacking coaches , poor academies , short term thinking, anything to sign an aussie game it will always come down to the lowest common denominator of what it takes to win.

Personally I think wigan are just short of 2 quality half backs , they have some seriously good quality players.