hes not is he? hes starting, but i thought that was as prescott/mossop/lima are the senior and more reliable props, so bringing lima on with flower maintains a certain amount of stability.

Hopefully that is the case, but I'm pretty sure Wane said before the season started that players doing well will start, those that don't perform will be dropped to the bench or the under 20's.

I don't like having a thug with no brains in our team, especially not two of them.

Having intelligence as a quality is more important than speed, power and skill as an RL player in my opinion.

This is why I'm not a fan of either Lauaki or Hock. Lauaki for obvious reasons evidenced last night plus the fact he's hardly a world beater anyway. As for Hock, despite all his skill and power doesn't he just wipe all that out with the constant knockons, penalties, crazy decisions etc?

As far as I can remember everyone was panicking when he received his drugs ban in 2009. And as far as I can remember we actually improved as a team - we became far more solid and gave little away.

When Hock was banned other players ended up giving away more penalties. O'Loughlin, Tomkins, Hoffman, Bailey etc.

Hock makes errors but he also has the potential to win games and he's been one of our best players so far this year. Westwood is worse than Hock in terms of conceding penalties and making errors yet is considered one of the best players in Super League.

Hock is an excellent player to have.

Lauaki on the other hand, does very little during games and anything he does do seems to be stupid.

We will have to see what happens assuming he gets a ban. I doubt we will miss him at all so if other players step up and play well he ought to find it very hard to get back in the team assuming we have no injury worries.

The trouble is he has a four year deal (God knows why we gave him a deal like that given his form at Hull) and as he is supposed to be Wane's signing I fear he will be back in the side far too readily.

So were his minutes on the field

There isn't room for 2 hot headed forwards in our team that play the game on the edge and run the risk of costing you points.

Hocks a justified selection because he's superb and he's worth the silly stuff but when he plays id keep Lauaki away from the side. He's been pretty good so far but he got it totally wrong last night and cost his team big time. He simply can't be allowed to get away with it to the point where if I were Wane I'd want to fine him.

Spencer or Dudson should get a shot on Friday.

Quote MadDogg="MadDogg"Lauaki last night did exactly what most said he would do in the big games. Lose his cool.'" your not wrong some pretty underwhelmed pie eaters from the initial rumours of his signing... notice the post from dany1979 after watching him play for hull viewtopic.php?f=28&t=502890&start=100 Quote MadDoggEven his own players were annoyed with him last night, Tickle was certanly not happy with his dumb penalty on his own line.'" not a great signing....and on the forwards I thought Prescott was a handful more so than Lima I'm just off to watch the game again now but he didnt appear to get much game time from what i remember which suprised me??

Quote MadDogg="MadDogg"Lauaki last night did exactly what most said he would do in the big games. Lose his cool.'" your not wrong some pretty underwhelmed pie eaters from the initial rumours of his signing... notice the post from dany1979 after watching him play for hull viewtopic.php?f=28&t=502890&start=100 Quote MadDoggEven his own players were annoyed with him last night, Tickle was certanly not happy with his dumb penalty on his own line.'" not a great signing....and on the forwards I thought Prescott was a handful more so than Lima I'm just off to watch the game again now but he didnt appear to get much game time from what i remember which suprised me??

Quote the flying biscuit="the flying biscuit"your not wrong some pretty underwhelmed pie eaters from the initial rumours of his signing... notice the post from dany1979 after watching him play for hull viewtopic.php?f=28&t=502890&start=100 not a great signing....and on the forwards I thought Prescott was a handful more so than Lima I'm just off to watch the game again now but he didnt appear to get much game time from what i remember which suprised me??'" It was only Prescott's third game back after having back surgery in the off season, so he's not likely to be fully fit yet. When he gets up to speed though he could be a real handful. He's knocking people flying when he runs which is good, but he hasn't even started to use his ball playing skills yet, which IMO are as good as any forward in Super League.

Quote the flying biscuit="the flying biscuit"your not wrong some pretty underwhelmed pie eaters from the initial rumours of his signing... notice the post from dany1979 after watching him play for hull viewtopic.php?f=28&t=502890&start=100 not a great signing....and on the forwards I thought Prescott was a handful more so than Lima I'm just off to watch the game again now but he didnt appear to get much game time from what i remember which suprised me??'" It was only Prescott's third game back after having back surgery in the off season, so he's not likely to be fully fit yet. When he gets up to speed though he could be a real handful. He's knocking people flying when he runs which is good, but he hasn't even started to use his ball playing skills yet, which IMO are as good as any forward in Super League.

I still feel even with a fit Mossop we're a prop short at the minute. I'm made up with Mossop, Prescott and Lima who are all amoungst the best props in the league but Flower isn't big enough and Lauaki isn't smart enough to be that 4th prop.

I think Spencer and Dudson need to be given some opportunities to nail that spot if we can't get Fielden back on the field.

I never knew dropping the ball every match means he has good handling. His ball retention is awful at times.

That's one error!! His average errors last year were 0.4 errors per game. That's hardly enough to warrant concerns about ball retention.

His error last night was just one of those things. When you burst through a tackle you're always susceptible to a ball steal.

Besides, ball handling generally refers to offloading and passing ability.

I did like this tweet from Ryan Atkins: @samtomkins1 body bit sore but that's prob from when Prescott used me as a speed bump from the kick off ha #massivehuman

I hope there are a few more sore players as Prescott gets his match fitness back.