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| Quote: Bovrick "Why would it be undermining the ref? They both have their own jobs to do, as long as each are doing their respective jobs as well as they can, and only the best people we can find making it to the top games, there doesn't seem to be a place to complain beyond the odd one off annoyance post match.'"
Whats the point in the ref asking the VR to look at a specific incident if the VR will nit pick at every little thing and watch the same clips over and over hoping to see something?
Take the incident when Hansen (i think it was) was pulled up for obstruction. What if the ref on the field had deemed it to be legal, but then the VR disagrees and announces in front of the whole stadium that it was offside. |
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[quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp]
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| Quote: hare&hounds "even if u have took time to find the rule book u still havent got a clue what goes on in realitk'"
Ahhh. So let's forget the rules, which support my argument, as does the position in Australia. Its the "reality" that matters. Your "reality". |
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[quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp]
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| Quote: hare&hounds "and even if they were perfect everytime u lot would still be moaning'"
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| so the ref never gets a call from the tj or even changes his mind with info the tj gives him |
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| Quote: Mr. Grumpy "Whats the point in the ref asking the VR to look at a specific incident if the VR will nit pick at every little thing and watch the same clips over and over hoping to see something?
Take the incident when Hansen (i think it was) was pulled up for obstruction. What if the ref on the field had deemed it to be legal, but then the VR disagrees and announces in front of the whole stadium that it was offside.'"
Asking them to look at a specific incident allows them to skip straight to that point if there's no suspicion elsewhere - if when getting to that point you notice something blatantly wrong that should strike off the try, what do you do - ignore it?
As for the VR announcing that the ref was wrong? Good. Shows we care more about playing to the rules than feeding an ego. But a word in the ear would obviously be the best way to let a man in the stands help the man on the field. The big screen is obviously just a showpiece for the fans/sky. |
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| Quote: hare&hounds "never ref a game in my life and never intend to because no matter how hard u tried there is allways people to slag you off ,cheat ,liar dont know the rules and many more offensive ones that u may have used'"
Well given your stance in this thread at least something good has come out of it. 
People just want consistency so everyone knows where they stand. The lack of consistency in interpretation is appalling at the moment and that is down to Cummins rather than the referees. |
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| Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "I personally don't have a problem with how the VR was utilised on that occasion. For a start, it was a particularly long play so it's reasonable for the decision to be longer than usual. It also occurred as the last play of the game and one which decided the winner so not only was it important to get it right but there was no need for a quick decision as the game was over. The only thing that bamboozles me is fans who think the default position should be "try" and that attack errors or good defence shouldn't be recognised accordingly.
Why would it ever be ok to award a try where a player has scored from a double movement, knock on, obstruction, or hasn't actually put the ball down? ![]()
It wouldn't, but as that wasn't what I was saying it's an irrelevant point.
The VR should look at whatever it specifically is that has concerned the referee about a try. Not go through every single little thing leading up to it in case there was something he missed - which is very clearly what happened in the Catalan v Saints match, and has happened in Wigan matches. For Heaven's sake, at one time these idiots were allowed to go back three or four tackles - and that's what they used to do, until it became too embarrassing even for the RFL and was abolished.
By some folk's logic, we should video ref every moment of every game before deciding who the winner is, or failing that, all the other 'long plays' in case they too affected the outcome.
In any case, as the VR is only used in Sky matches, it can hardly be deemed that important a tool by the referees and their controller.
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Nothing will happen until the chairmen & coaches collectively grow a pair & demand Cummings goes or bring in someone who knows what they're doing bangs the refs heads together & puts proper standards in place.
They're all scared of saying anything that could be interpreted as disrespectful or "bringing the game into disrepute", even when it's what everyone else is thinking.
The RFL board & refs make North Korea a progressive democracy in comparison.
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| Quote: Cruncher "It wouldn't, but as that wasn't what I was saying it's an irrelevant point.'"
I thought you were suggesting that VRs should [inot [/ilook at those transgressions when adjudicating tries. thee on who mentioned them you know..
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