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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf]
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "I have defended Bennett, quite recently in fact and still maintain he took England forward from McNamara. However this GB tour has been an absolute shambolic showing from start to finish. Team selections, tactical output, interviews with the media. All that lays at Bennett’s door and for me it’s been that bad that it warrants a parting of the ways for GB and England. I still maintain he’s a good coach but for whatever reason it just hasn’t worked here and it’s really tainted his reputation. His position is untenable and there’s no way around that.
The aspects out of his control is the marketing, advertisement, social media presence, fixtures, venues, crowds and I’m sure someone could add a few more to that list, and that responsibility lies with the IRFL. It’s looked more like a Community GB tour than an actual GB Lions tour which is an absolute disgrace. There was an open door to walk through, an easy win and once again RL has managed to walk into the bloody wall to the left of it.
We keep saying changes we could make to SL to make RL more popular but it counts for absolutely nothing if, internationally we don’t pull our fingers out our ears and stop whistling pretending all is well.
As for the next England coach there should only be one name on the candidate list and that for me is Shaun Wane.'"
I'd want Wane too but there's a big assumption there that Wane wants the job. He's left rugby league and one assumes it would involve a paycut compared with Scotland RU.
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| Quote: Grimmy "I'd want Wane too but there's a big assumption there that Wane wants the job. He's left rugby league and one assumes it would involve a paycut compared with Scotland RU.'"
Completely agree
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| Part of me thinks Wane would be the perfect choice, part of me thinks we’ve had 2 coaches in succession with no attacking flair and we need to go for someone who doesn’t just play the percentages.
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| Daryll Powell would get us playing footy and moving the ball more than either Bennett or Wane would,but would it win footy games against the Aussies,Kiwis and now Tonga?
I am bored to death of watching GB/England under Bennett (5 drives and a high kick up in the air in wild hope) as it is turgid to watch and thh will we ever beat these sides by playing to the NRL's strengths as Bennett wants us to play?
Wane would motivate us without a doubt but you lot hated his style of footy at Wigan
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| Quote: Grimmy "I'd want Wane too but there's a big assumption there that Wane wants the job. He's left rugby league and one assumes it would involve a paycut compared with Scotland RU.'"
Listening to him on recent podcasts I think he’d snap their hands off for it. He came across as wanting a return to rugby league to me. He’d also only working for the Scottish Rugby Union on a one day a week consultancy basis isn’t he? His per hour wage may go down but a full time contract with the RFL would surely earn him more?
He strikes me as a guy who’d find it the ultimate honour to coach the national team and money may not be a factor.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "Listening to him on recent podcasts I think he’d snap their hands off for it. He came across as wanting a return to rugby league to me. He’d also only working for the Scottish Rugby Union on a one day a week consultancy basis isn’t he? His per hour wage may go down but a full time contract with the RFL would surely earn him more?
He strikes me as a guy who’d find it the ultimate honour to coach the national team and money may not be a factor.'"
Not exactly the norm here and I don’t think it’s been done before but could he not do both? The England job is hardly FT (despite me wanting it to be) and he’d have more than enough time on his hands to do his other work. I accept that’s like a “not sure about that” kind of proposal upon first reading but it could work.
I’m with you on SW too. I think he’d want the job but he also will be bearing in mind that a poor international showing will do nothing for his NRL ambitions, if anything it will close off that avenue completely. And on the flip side an international success story will boost his chances. It’s a huge gamble on his part.
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "Not exactly the norm here and I don’t think it’s been done before but could he not do both? The England job is hardly FT (despite me wanting it to be) and he’d have more than enough time on his hands to do his other work. I accept that’s like a “not sure about that” kind of proposal upon first reading but it could work.
I’m with you on SW too. I think he’d want the job but he also will be bearing in mind that a poor international showing will do nothing for his NRL ambitions, if anything it will close off that avenue completely. And on the flip side an international success story will boost his chances. It’s a huge gamble on his part.'"
He’ll need something like knocking the Aussies over to get a crack down under IMO. The longer he’s out of league, the further away his chances of an NRL job drift I reckon. They just don’t respect the game over here enough to give a British coach a chance and he’d need to knock the door down.
I hope we make the job full time again tbh and I’d want a man like Wane working from the top down to the England academy teams, aligning how we play, like he did with us here at Wigan. I’d also want him to avoid the sort of bias Bennett has shown towards his comp and to do that he needs to travel around England and Australia and watch as many live games as possible. Any coach we have should know the ins and outs of each player in his squad and he should have total faith in them. I’m sick to the back teeth of Bennett’s attitude that the rest of the squad need to come up to the NRL players standards. Bateman aside the NRL lads have been dreadful on this tour but then so have the vast majority of players. He seems oblivious to what happens over here in the UK.
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| Idiotic to leave him in charge for the last game. At least let Watson have a crack and give the players a free reign to play SL style and throw the ball around and at least try to salvage a touch of pride.
I have never rated Bennett as the messiah of coaching. He made his name when he had the best forward pack in the NRL steamrollering teams and the best set of backs in the NRL using their individual skills to put the points on the board. The players he had at his disposal were once in a generation in almost every position.
He should of retired 7/8 years ago.
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| As a sport that is falling behind others domestically and is trying to build its international profile, having a guy in charge of the National side who doesn’t want to engage with the media or support is really poor. If his results were amazing then he’d be let off to a degree but as soon as a bad run of results has come, he was always going to get the backlash.
We need a full time coach in the run up to the Ashes and World Cup. Somebody who is not only a good coach but who will engage with the media because we need that to build towards the next two years. We need them to be able to take up every invite to appear on tv or radio, to speak to the UK press on a regular basis and to engage with fans at big events like the Cup final and Grand final.
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"I have this system where I support England first, then the other Home Nations, then the rest of the Commonwealth, then the rest of the World, then France.": |
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| Even given the world cup run, I don't think Bennett has done anything we would not have done under McNamara. In 6 seasons with England McNamara played 5 and lost them all against the Aussies, some disappointingly wide and a couple very close, and we played 7 and won 3 against New Zealand, including a test series. In 4 seasons with England/GB Bennett has played 3 and lost them all against the Aussies, two close, one not, and played 7, won 3 against New Zealand, including a test series. Also, while Bennett's teams ran the Aussies closest, none of McNamara's teams were ever hammered by the Kiwis the way we were in the 3rd test last year, or even in the 2nd test this year. I have seen absolutely no evidence of forward progress under Bennett and want him gone. The point about engaging with the media is fair as well. I would be happy with Wane or Powell, should either of them want the job and I think, if Wane really wants an NRL job, a successful crack at England/GB is the only way he will get the chance.
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| Quote: tyr "Even given the world cup run, I don't think Bennett has done anything we would not have done under McNamara. In 6 seasons with England McNamara played 5 and lost them all against the Aussies, some disappointingly wide and a couple very close, and we played 7 and won 3 against New Zealand, including a test series. In 4 seasons with England/GB Bennett has played 3 and lost them all against the Aussies, two close, one not, and played 7, won 3 against New Zealand, including a test series. Also, while Bennett's teams ran the Aussies closest, none of McNamara's teams were ever hammered by the Kiwis the way we were in the 3rd test last year, or even in the 2nd test this year. I have seen absolutely no evidence of forward progress under Bennett and want him gone. The point about engaging with the media is fair as well. I would be happy with Wane or Powell, should either of them want the job and I think, if Wane really wants an NRL job, a successful crack at England/GB is the only way he will get the chance.'"
I agree with all of that, except Powell!
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"I have this system where I support England first, then the other Home Nations, then the rest of the Commonwealth, then the rest of the World, then France.": |
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| Quote: moto748 "I agree with all of that, except Powell!'"
I get that he's not everyone's cup of tea, and he probably wouldn't do much for improving the media engagement! But he has had his team playing with flair and creativity for several years and he has also made the most of limited resources - I think that is a useful ability at international level, where you can't just transfer in players from other clubs. I would throw Watson into the mix as well but I think, what he has done for one season, Powell has basically been doing for several. I have also seen Danny Ward's name being mentioned in the media but would rather see him as an assistant if he were to be involved at this stage of his career.
On another point, I see a lot of people referencing pride, passion and determination, which I think is a dangerous blind alley. Every time England (or GB in this case) disappoint people start looking for someone to get some passion into the players. It's not about passion, or the coach's nationality. It's about ability, tactical awareness and smarts on the pitch. In the case of our players at the moment, it is about better ball movement, better last tackle options, not giving away stupid penalties and not making handling errors in crucial areas of the pitch. In the case of our coach, it is about selecting players in the right positions, making sure that there is balance in the squad and pace in the team and taking off his blinkers with regard to player selection, both in assuming that playing in the NRL automatically elevates a player beyond playing in Super League, and in showing loyalty to players who are no longer up to the job.
As well as Bennett going, we really need to see the following:
Chris Hill - gone. He did really well when he broke into the England team but he is now past his prime and no longer offers enough for test level.
James Graham - also gone. Still a really good player but his performances have not been at the right level at test level for a while. He has been a champion player for his country, no doubt, but the time should be up now and, also, he needs to think about prolonging his club career at this stage. I also don't think he is the right choice as captain.
Josh Hodgson - should still definitely be in the squad for me but there is no doubt that he has been comprehensively outshone by both Roby and Clark for the last few seasons. Given Roby's age, Clark should absolutely be our number one hooker at the moment.
Ryan Hall - another player who has been outstanding over the years but he is done now, at this level. His pace is gone and he has clearly not played enough this season.
Gareth Widdop - I am not saying there is no place for him, he has been a great player at times but pick him on form, not just reputation. This tour he has offered nothing and I think he has stifled his halfback partner by controlling what little ball the forwards allow the backs.
Bring Liam Watts in for heaven's sake! I know people have some reservations but we will never know unless he gets a chance. Other players that ought to be in and around the mix - Regan Grace, Josh Charnley, Sam Tomkins, Mark Percival, Reece Lyne (I know he has his detractors as well but we are crying out for centres), Ryan Sutton and probably more. We also desperately need a replacement for O'Loughlin to link the forwards to the backs. If it can't be done from loose forward it needs to come from somewhere.
Finally, if Bennett is insisting on using this to build for the World Cup, what the heck are some of those older players I have mentioned doing in the squad?
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| If Bennett stays on I honestly think we may see Hodgson made captain yet he’s had another horrendous series as an international player. He should be done along with McGillvary,Hill, Hall and sadly Graham with next years Ashes squad being freshened up. A lot will depend on how players form in 2020 stacks up but certainly guys like Watts, Johnstone, Smithies and Knowles will be in the reckoning you’d imagine.
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| George Williams has now been named in the 17 for tomorrows game v PNG, better late than never I guess.
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