Again with the proportion blowing.

If Wigan were playing Leeds next week. Would you rather face a fully fit Leeds side or a Leeds side that had picked up a few injuries the week before and so were weakened? Obviously not major injuries such as a break, but a dead leg or a twisted sock. Enough to keep him out the side and therefore make it better from a Wigan POV.

Would you rather Wire go the rest of the season fully fit, or miss a few players here and there with niggles and so lose games and push Wigan further away from them?

That is the point I think Beswick was trying to make he just maybe went about it wrongly.

No he didn't. He didn't just say "It looks like Amos has broken his leg, that gives us a better chance" He was laughing about it! Would it be OK if Jack D or Phil K did it??

I'm going to wait till tomorrow for you to rethink this post before replying as it's obvious from the way you repeatedly qualify your statements with comments such "Obviously not major injuries such as a break" that you don't actually believe this is a valid argument.

And again, for the record, I'd rather beat a fully fit side than one weakened by injuries. Not that that has anything to do with this particular debate.

Exactly.

It's a perfectly valid argument and one I stand by. I'm in work at the mo so haven't been drinking if that is your belief.

I do not wish a SERIOUS injury on anybody and have always sportingly applauded a player off the field when such an incident has occurred and will continue to do so.

If a player misses a few games with injury (take Tommy's injury for example) and it benefits Wigan then I'll take that every time. As Roberts' injury will benefit Wire it's my opinion that that is what he meant. I doubt he was celebrating the fact that Amos had broken his leg, but rather that his injury would aid Wire. As I said earlier, maybe he went about it the wrong way but from what I heard I don't think there was any malice in the comment.

i fully understand what you're trying to say here but i think the point that people are trying to make is that this guy is supposed to be a professional and he's sat there laughing at the news. i dont care who he supports, he shouldn't be making comments like that live on the radio. i do think its been blown a tad out of proportion but i think amos, if anyone, deserves an apology.

That is what I mean by 'went about it the wrong way'

As a pro he needs to be 100% unbiased

Well if you're sure you stand by it, here goes. I'm sure Bernard Manning had no malice when he made racist jokes. I'm sure many on here tell them from time to time. Does it therefore follow that it should be broadcast? In fact, does it follow that anything should be broadcast as long as there's no malice in it? Do you think the Jonathon Ross/Russel Brand sketch was suitable for broadcast? There was clearly no malice in it?

To argue that his belief that Amos' potential double fracture of the leg (as it was then believed to be) was better for Wire, therefore he was at liberty to delight in the possibility is quite ridiculous! In fact I can best illustrate it by taking it to it's ultimate conclusion. Would his response to a Wigan player's death be appropriate in your opinion if he said "Can you see the smile on my face" or "what's a death matter if it wins us a trophy!" Now, I fully understand that no-one died. I merely use this extreme to show that the principle you are arguing is wrong. Where you draw the line is a matter for personal morals and integrity. The point I am making is that one person's acceptable is different to another's. It's up to the individual to make the decision where that line falls. If, in your post, you had debated what Alan Beswick had said, that would have been one thing. Of course, you didn't. Instead you chose to comment on other people's response to a given circumstance and question where their particular bounds of acceptibility shoul fall. That is why I posted to point this out. I don't mind your opinion. It's your's to have. What I do mind is you taking it upon yourself to decide where my own boundries of good taste should lie.

And as an aside, I think wanting a team to get injuries to better your own team's chances smacks a little too much of the Latics supporter in you! Personally I'd rather my team beat the best than win hollow victories.

...and he wasn't. Isn't this exactly what we have a right as license payers to expect? If he falls short don't we have a right to make it known to the corporation we fund that we are disatisfied? I think you need to re-read this post and then compare it to your previous ones. You've either changed your mind (fair enough; that's the point of debate) or you're getting confused.

I never once mentioned that you should have the same opinion as me. I simply said that people are blowing this out of proportion which is my opinion. Yours is that he was wrong to say it and should apologise. Are you not saying that my opinion is wrong and I should fall into your boundaries of good taste? No, you're simply stressing your opinion which we're all entitled to do.

The fact that we're arguing about it amongst ourselves is probably the response he wanted from his (again my opinion) tongue in cheek comment.

Not changed my mind or getting confused. He should keep his club loyalties to himself which he didn't on this occasion but saying that, no commentator in the World does. Don't think we can have a pop at him for that.

By wrong way I mean he probably shouldn't have sounded so jovial and maybe phrased it as:

'Amos Roberts has a possible broken leg which is no doubt a boost to my club Warrington (which would put a smile on his face) with Wigan missing a key player for maybe the season, but what now for both Wigan and Roberts' No malice and opens the topic up for discussion. Would we have this thread then? Probably not.

As I said, he's gone about it the wrong way, but I honestly don't believe there was any malice in it. Maybe i'm wrong and the guy is a t*t but I presume the beeb would have reacted differently if it was intentional malice as they did with the Brand/Ross scenario you mentioned. (on a totally separate note, Russell Brand is about as funny as aids)

I'll refer you back to your own 2nd post (the one I commented on) and the manner you chose to express it. If you can honestly say that it wasn't a comment on people's opinion, as opposed to a comment on the issue, then I'll leave it there. However, I think we both know, given in a subsequent post you mention it was in response to people's intention to phone in etc. that wasn't the case.

Incidentally, I notice you don't answer the questions I posed you in the post you quote in part above. Could this be because you actually agee with the principle, despite what you've been arguing in this thread?

The point of this thread and complaint is because he seemingly celebrated Amos' injury is it not? My opinion is that he didn't. He could have (and probably should have) handled it differently, maybe said nothing at all, but it was a clear imo tongue in cheek comment about the major talking point of the weekend which happened to benefit the team he supports.

My second comment was because imo the situation has been blown out of proportion. People have complained and the beeb have replied. I'm not saying you're wrong to take it further or have the opinion you have, I'm simply disagreeing.

I agree with you mate, anybody who knows Allan should know that he's a huge wind up merchant who likes to make statements to shock and get people thinking and talking (and he doesn't always really believe the tripe he comes out with).

Personally he's always made me chuckle, right back to the phone ins of an evening on Red Rose and people trying to swear, take the mick out of etc.