I’m really confused by the criticism of Bibby.

Thought whilst not spectacular he was as good as any back expect for Zak.

Our entire back line was playing far too flat but I thought he linked well with Hastings and he scored a great try.

Not saying he is Gene Miles but don’t think he deserves stick on today’s performance.

Thought it was Bibby’s best game so far personally. He’s got things to work on in defence but he was a threat wiry the ball and his work rate was good.

It does not matter who is the Coach, the simple truth is that we have too many players now past their best and also have not made with the exception of French, Hardacre and Hastings signed better class players from both within our own game and down under to blend with the good young players we get from the Academy.

Suggest that supporters need to look at squads of Wigan at the time Maguire was the Coach and then look at how the squads have decline in quality in recent seasons and now no longer have same class players like Carmont, Deacon, Finch, Gleeson, Hoffman, Lima, Richards, Riddell, Roberts, Sam Tomkins etc to compliment the younger home produced players.

Both Holbrook and now Wolfe have and are looking better Coaches because Saints under McManus and his board have not only produced their own good young Academy players, but have bought better from outside both from within our own country and from down under.

Makes you wonder if that is the reason Wane resigned!

I love a good stat and there were some impressive ones and some less so yesterday from various players.

Faz ran 196 metres and made 39 tackles

Havard made 48 tackles, took 17 carries and made 127 metres. The kid is so impressive.

Powell made 55 tackles

Byrne 36 tackles and 8 carries for 70 metres

Good ground from the wingers-152 metres for Marshall and 170m for Manfredi (well centre I guess).

Big George is Big Tony on more money-14 tackles, 6 carries and 43 metres. Hopefully he needs games and minutes and things will build over time. It will need to considering the chunk of cap going his way.

In fairness to Burgess he barely got any ball, certainly not any good ball. A few times he was offering himself as an option but the hooker and halves went the other way. He must have been on for 20 minutes at most - whether that was all he could manage before keeling over is another issue.

Bryne and Havard look terrific prospects - bit depressing to think we likely won't see their best years like most of our academy products.

Bullock was OK and Clark was enthusiastic at least.

He didn't make anywhere near the same number of metres as our other outside backs except for French, who was injured. He fluffed a very good try scoring opportunity with a catch and pass that should be fairly straightforward for a centre who at 24 is entering his prime. And while his leg drive was impressive I wouldn't describe his try as 'great'. He's clearly strong, but that's an absolute howler from the defence.

It may be harsh though. He's had a slow start but it's basically the start of the season all over again, and I'm judging him based on his performances earlier in the year too. Hopefully it was a steady performance that he'll build on.

I think both edges struggled to manage the overlaps we created because both sides were way too flat.

On quite a few occasions we had the overlap but put ourselves under too much pressure with the catch and pass as the centres were basically in the opposition line when trying to execute which killed a good few clear cut opportunities.

I'm not sure 'not getting any ball' is much of an excuse for him. Would Saints go through a match without giving Walmsley any ball? Would Cas go 80 minutes without giving Watts plenty of carries? If he didn't make many carries, there's a reason for it. If the players deliberately didn't give him the ball then it's because he wasn't considered capable of making much of an impact, or he's terribly unfit for a forward of his reputation.

Must admit I did notice the ball evading him a time or two. He needs to up his workrate in both attack and defence and whilst I don’t have him as a lost cause yet, the signs are worrying. We’ve brought him in on big money to be our own Alex Walmsley but over the season he’s probably been out performed by 3 junior props, Joe Bullock and even Mitch Clark in his short spells and that’s just our lot. What we want/expect from him for the reputation and the money to what we’re getting is terrifying. Time yet though and fingers crossed he pulls through this rough start.

Burgess is finished, he's got a chronic hip injury and is ridiculously unfit.

Its embarrassing that where paying him marquee money!

Yes IL must be headbutting the table with the money that is going down the drain there. Hopefully it'll improve but even in the best case scenario of two decent 20 minute stints from George it definitely wasn't a wise marquee buy. With every penny being important now with Covid its not pleasant to think of that huge paycheck he's picking up.

Hopefully he can at least provide a few big game changing runs in time (like Feka used to on occasions).

I wouldn't describe it as a try, either!

Let's bear in mind he has played five games in a new league. Two of which were after long breaks (i.e off season and the COVID break). He had a good game against Huddersfield as well prior to the break. The signs aren't positive but I'm not ready to write him off yet

It’s got to be the hope with him. He made one really good carry yesterday (before Bibby’s try I believe) and is a handful still but we need 50-60 minutes worth of them and an appetite to defend. You look at Tom Burgess making 150-200m in the NRL every week and you can’t help but think this hip injury people talk about with George is a real concern. I read people say he looks unfit but to me it’s not his general fitness that’s a worry, it’s his fitness in terms of whatever that problem may be. He looks uncomfortable trying to get about the place, especially turning to try and get back in the defensive line.

Hopefully this time next month we all sit here and breath a sigh of relief that he just needed games under his belt.