Agree. At the beginning of the season I made a comment that we would miss Blake Green this season and was laughed off by a few mates.

I still stand by that. Not replacing him like for like is costly.

Our discipline (yet again) lets us down. Eagerly awaiting SW's comments.

'Dumb rugby'? 'Errors'? But will he mention penalties against killing us?

From various twitters...

"This is the worst day I've ever had in my coaching career. I could tell our defence wasn't strong enough"
"We were outplayed in every department. Completions poor, we didn't win first contact, the changes didn't work"
"I'm responsible for that, I'm embarrassed for the all the fans who came over and watched us, we were awful"
"Cas wanted it more", says Wigan boss Wane. "They ran harder and tackled harder. I knew they were a good side"

Mention errors, mention penalties, mention dumb play. Tonight none were an issue because for the first time in 6 years the 'effort' word reared it's head.

Wiganers will always put up with a side that loses whilst busting a gut but they won't put up with a side that rolls over and gives up before a games even started.

Apologist, he is failing as a coach and his players have lost faith in his coaching...quite clearly. last years Grand Finalists to this result today

Come off it. Everyone has a rough patch and the bloke has worked miracles with a squad that's torn apart year on year.

He will turn this around, I'm convinced! And he will again defy the odds which he has done in the past because I'm not having it that he's being given a squad that is costing the full salary cap value.

Fair enough your entitled your opinion but I just can't see it where going backwards under wane and there is some serious problems with wigan, he IMO is a very limited coach

How do you arrive to this conclusion?
3 full seasons and 4 trophies.
Was he limited in 2013?
He has problems we will now see how he responds.

OK..

He hasn't worked miracles. As we can all now see MM worked miracles and SW has lived off the back of those miracles..until now.

SW has been more than happy to replace the Aussies with Wigan / Local lads and i fully endorse that if it works.. but it hasn't.

We look really weak and that is the fault of SW and IL..

IL penny pinching..SW delusions of Grandeaur.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I can't call a guy 'limited' who's brought through so many good players for us though or a guy who's won plenty for us or a guy that has guided us through a period of us selling off our best players yet has managed to keep us competitive

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I've watched Wanes teams from the days of him being a coach in the juniors and he will stand up to this. These players will work for him and turn it around.

Where is this proof that Wane is chuffed to bits to replace good players with juniors? I've never bought that, I believe it's what's being given to him. He's a winner and isn't naive enough to think lads like Williams can come in and be as good as Blake Green. He works under constraints IMO and does what he can within them.

Maguire was given Finch, Lima, Hoffman etc to work with Sam Tomkins, Richards, Leuluai, Fielden etc. wane had been given Williams, Clubb, Tautai, Burgess, Sam Powell and so on. It's like chalk and cheese!

Ah.. so it's not Wanes fault even though he has stated in the press his desire for an all home grown team and no need to recruit because he has all the players he needs...(or was that a recent nightmare i had)

I take it back you're not Brian Noble you're Gareth Hock!

He's never going to come out and bag them. He works with what he's given. Kris Rads has admitted that at the fans forum.

Wane loved Blake Green. If he was such a moronic obsessive that wanted an all Wigan team he would have fired him off ages back and the likes of Gelling and Tautai wouldn't be picked now.

Strange behaviour for Wigans own Hitler who wants 17 lads from Platt Waz and Ince turning out for us. He'll be replacing the half time oranges with Meat pies next.

I accept all that,but we've just seem Wakey, derided as a side fit for bottom place, give Saints a real test and arguably have been a bit unlucky not to get anything from the game. Meanwhile, we've been tonked by an (admittedly not that bad) side who haven't managed a win all season.

If it had been a poor first half, and we'd been able to turn it around at half-time, it wouldn't have been so bad, but, worryingly, there was no sign of that.