No matter how much of a soft spot Offiah has for Wigan he will be trying to get the best deal for his client, earn the most money in this deal for himself and also maximise profits on Myler over the long term.

We can’t ignore that Tony Smith will be a big figure in Myler’s professional life either. This is the current England coach we are talking about who picked Myler last season when he was in in NL1. He’s shown faith in him in the past and Myler has done well under him as well.

We would have a massive task to talk Myler to come here over Warrington.

Perhaps he should find some of Mo's courage, hey - and spend cash that he doesn't have, or that the rules won't allow him to spend?

Is that the sort of courage you want him to show?

Why not - I mean last time it only almost got us relegated.

Sorry to sound belligerent, but some of these anti-IL posts are ridiculous. There are several valid reasons why Wigan might not want to sign Myler. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with courage, though that doesn't seem to want people constantly spinning it that way.

I know it sounds bad but the answer from my pov would be YES every time. As selfish as it may sound Wigan for me comes before the rules and even the game.

I used to love Wigan and the whole game of RL but after I’ve seen the anti Wigan bile and pure hatred others fans have for us I’ve gone a hell of a lot more inward looking.

No one else cares about Wigan so why should we care or have respect for the rest of the dross in SL and the administrators who despise us even more than most opposition fans? Or should we care about clubs like Salford, Wakey or Hudds who don't have a ambitious bone in their bodies?

It’s one of the major reasons I find the NRL so appealing because it doesn’t have its anti Wigan agenda apparent everywhere from fans, to commentators to even the refs like Cummings and Ganson.

For all his bad traits Maurice always had his priorities set out right imo and that was doing what he thought was the best for Wigan RL and no one else.

All I want IL to do is start acting like the chairman of Wigan I want to see. One who delivers the big players and top trophies we so desperately want and sadly we aren’t going to do it by hanging onto coaches like Noble or letting talented youngsters go to our rivals.

Noble is more than likely to go at the end of the season, imo he would have gone earlier except for the playoff run, which in fairness would have been harsh on him to be sacked after that, however rubbish the rest of the season was.

And which talented youngsters are we letting go to our rivals? IL has made a specific point that this is not what he wants to do, and has hence signed most of the up and coming youngsters onto new 3 year deals mid-season.

We don't have the cap space to go out and buy 2 or 3 superstars this offseason, I estimate 1 top world class player and then a very good player, which i would imagine to be a SH and then someone like cayless in as prop.

The season after when Fielden in particular is off contract will relieve the last remnants of the v poor cap management from ML et al, and should hence allow much more movement within the squad.


As for this slating IL for not coming out and ssaying Noble won't be staying, do you not think there is the possibility that him and Noble have come to an agreement after Nobles little outburst that he isn't staying, but that Lenegan will not come out and undermine his head coach by saying he will not be staying. Yes the papers are now talking about us approachin other coaches, but this was always going to happen with our coach being out of contract and quite frankly being cr ap!

Read my previous on the Noble/Kearney situation and you'll see what i think. No way that Noble and IL haven't had a discussion about BN future before IL went to Aus.

OMG, it's David Koresh back from the dead!! Quick! Call out the ATF.

Mo would have the bottle to attempt to make the transfer happen, Il doesnt.

What are the valid reasons?

We have a #7 - nope
We cant afford him - nope
We are a good team - nope
The chairman has delivered so far - nope

Then we could spend the entirety of his contract cursing why we have 4 hookers at the club and no scrum half?

I'd be very suprised if Saints don't find the cash to make an offer for him tbh. I know there fans are saying they won't because of money and the fact that they have Smith and Eastmond but Saints have a history of battling it out for high profile British players when they become available for money transfers and when it comes to Smith/Eastmond i'm not sure Potter is convinced by either(and rightfully so tbh).

My money would be on Wire but i'm not counting out Saints by any means just yet.

As for us i can't see it tbh.

Valid reasons:

a) We may not be able to offer what his agent wants given the constraints of the cap and our existing outlay (you don't know what our wage-bill is now or will be for next year, though it's safe to say that IL does).

b) We may already have a new half lined up who you don't know about (again, just saying we haven't got one won't cut it - you simply don't know).

c) We may feel that having two inexperienced halves is not a good plan (feel free to disagree, but the pros in this field may take a different view, and they'll be the ones IL will listen to, not you).

d) There may be a concern that Sam will feel his place is being threatened, and get unsettled, which in turn may unsettle his brothers (you may know the Tomkins family, but it's unlikely you have a professional relationship with them, whereas IL does).

Those would be four valid reasons straight off the top of my head. Just because you say the chairman lacks courage, that doesn't mean it's true. It could just as easily mean that you have a personal bee in your bonnet, which is divorcing your thinking from reality. But if it's any consolation, you aren't alone in that.

Myler isnt the answer for us - let Wire have him.

Potter seems to be giving Eastmond the chance now - so its a bit soon to know whether he will be able to hold down the spot next year and into the future.

I just dont think that Saints have the spare cash to pay a trasfer fee now, the only way we can realistically sign him is at the end of next year when he will be out of contract.

Other than that, the only way I can see Saints being involved is to force the price up that Wire / Wigan have to pay for him.

Eastmonds getting a shot now which is good but i suppose he has to prove his fitness over a longer period then just a few weeks but he is the hope as he's a top class talent. I'd be very suprised if Matty Smith makes it at Saints tbh.

I just wouldn't be suprised if you enter any bidding for Myler but we'll see i suppose. Maybe like you say they just will to push up the price.

There are two money issues when signing a player like Myler. Any transfer fee involved and how much he wants wages wise.

The latter ought not to be a problem in competing with the favourites (Wire) to sign him as they have plenty of high profile players and so its obvious they do not have a bottomless pit of money to offer him. They work to the salary cap as well and we have several players off contract at least one of which is supposed to be on a high wage.

So its all to do with how you place a value on a young talented scrum have who could be here for 10 years alongside Sam T. The chance to get a British half back (don't forge the federation trained rules are starting to have an effect) seems to me to one where you ought to push the boat out a bit.

The same applies to the transfer fee. Well worth the chairman dipping into his pocket for the above reasons.



He might but you don't don't know he has and unless this mythical player has signed I would hope IL would peruse Myler instead because he is clearly available.



Our team is a mess IMO and we won't fix it by signing an experienced (read old) pro scrum half for two or three seasons. Sometimes young players are actually as talented as they are made out to be, ready for playing week in and week out and so on. I see nothing to suggest Myler does not fall into this bracket and it isn't as if we don't have more experienced cover with TL signed up already.



Talk about pure speculation! Where have you dreamt this one up? The idea would be to play them in the same team alongside each other. Why would he get upset?



Valid reasons? The first one (money) is obviously valid, the rest are born out of imaginary situations you have dreamt up, i.e. we may have signed a player, some experienced pros (who?) may disagree, Sam T may get upset (that's a classic).



I don't think you have a great hold on reality yourself given the speculation in your "valid" reasons for not signing him.

There may well be valid reasons for not signing him but I can't see any obvious ones apart from the money side of it. The upshot is we have the chance to create a half back partnership that could give us the stability in these two key positions for years to come.

Instead of thinking for reasons why we ought not to do this simply to defend the chairman, have you not even considered it might be a great signing to make?

Dave

Unless anyone knows for a FACT where Myler is going why bother going on about him going to Wire or Wigan.

Somebody step up and make the call, and justify how they know for a FACT.

Sick of all the BS.

Offiah, Mylers agent, has said he is not going to sign an new deal with Salford when his contract expires at the end of next season and even though he is contracted to them for another year Offiah has also said that could change.

Those are the facts. The rumour is Wire are favourites to sign him. The debate is should we try to.

I am struggling to see the BS here.

Dave

Then you need to read several other posts. Many saying Myler IS going to wire, many saying Offiah WILL get to sign for Wigan.

Maybe now you will see in.

LSoW.

I think there'd be problems with this signing. I've said in other threads that I wouldn't turn the lad down. He's undoubtedly a talent. But having two inexperienced halfbacks is not ideal, especially if one of them has cost you a lot of money (and especially if you've already made a deal with someone else - which you can't deny because you simply don't know).

As for the ideas I've dreamt up, fine. You stick with your 'IL is crap' alternative - after all, it's a point you've been hammering since he took over the club (but it's no less a piece of guesswork than my explanations).

However, given that the Salary Cap now renders all clubs equal, and that Wigan no longer have a monopoly on recruiting top talent, I think it highly possible that Wire will pip us here. So if I were you, I'd book your place on the parapet at the top of your office block right now. Because the way some of you lot go on, I'm sure the next 'big signing we miss 'will lead to suicides.

Maybe I am... I just wish I'd have come on here last week when I found out about Hock... perhaps my comments would have carried more weight... but obviously... with the kind of issue we have with Hock, then topics end up being deleted or locked until official statements.

Hopefully he'll choose us over you just like Langer, Johns, Reardon, Morley, King did.

Absolute classic.

not when you're in the market for a second rower



but you'd have the room on the cap now

Love it that is pure class!!

Myler is a Wire, has been agreed for months with Myler, contracts are not worth the paper there wrote on.

Both Wigan and Warrington have had bids accepted. Myler has indicated his first preference is to talk to Wigan.