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We don't have a better defensive right centre at the club so play him there. Maybe if he gets a run there we'll start to see more in attack.

If Sarge plays it probably needs to be at fullback or on the left. We can't shift Gildart or Burgess so Lam will have to make a call between.him and Hardaker.

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Right centre with Sarge moving to wing. I like Marshy covering but I’m not sure I could leave with of Sarge or Hank out.

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He was great last night, hopefully starts to get the credit he deserves when playing in his favoured position.

Given kicking is so often the difference between winning and losing, add to that his defence is typically really good, for me he’d start right centre. (Questions why we would sign Bibby).

The question then becomes what do we do with Sarge/Hardaker. Personally I think Hardaker has been consistently one of our best in what has been a pretty poor team. His last ditch defensive efforts and ability under a high ball would give him the edge but would be unfair on Sarge not to be in the starting lineup.

At least we look to have some competition for places...

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He did well defensively last night, but attacking wise he isn’t a threat. If we are to just have him in the team to kick goals we may aswell sign Jamie Foster and Barry Eaton.

With his high work rate and defensive capabilities and lack of an attacking threat I think second row may be the way to go, but he’d need to learn how to play that position in running good lines and put a bit of timber on. That is the only way he could have a future here, and even then he’d be fourth choice. I honestly can’t fault his effort I admire him for it, but we should be looking at better centres.

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Quote: Bigredwarrior "Right centre with Sarge moving to wing. I like Marshy covering but I’m not sure I could leave with of Sarge or Hank out.'"


I think that's an idea worth considering. Gives Hankinson a chance to show what he can do at centre, keeps Hardaker in the side who's been one of our best players this year and means we don't lose Sarginson's excellent work rate and good carries. Plus there's scope to move those players around if something isn't working.

I like Marshall but his effectiveness is limited on our right edge because we don't generate enough space down that side. His carries (while improving) are nowhere near as good as our other outside backs.

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For me I would give him a go at right second row his kicking means he plays. Hes got a bigger frame than Isa or Faz and his D is good. Faz moves to 13 we lose some of what he gives us when hes on that right edge at least in that role he can can have more effect. Result it allows Lockers and Isa to do prop stints along with clubb and Bullock solids us up a bit. I play Sarge at full back him linking on the left frome 1 helps George with options. He a average right centre half decent left centre and a good full back, Zak to right centre needs must at moment. Sammut goes 7 powell/Lulu to 9/bench.

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In the short term keep him where he is and the same with Sarginson for me. We’ve not been good enough this year to put in a performance of a decent standard and then start leaving players out who were amongst our best in that performance. We need to build competition and a desire to win your place back IMO.

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Based on that display last night, he starts at Right Centre until further notice.

We've not had a consistent kicker since Richards. That was 6 years ago.

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You play him. Even if he were average...his kicking was deadly accurate and you carry him.
The thing is...he looks a handy player too.

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Could we not consider Hankinson at 13. Playing at centre, which is his preferred position,would suggest that he has decent ball handling skills. He can kick and is if he packed on a bit more muscle would be a decent size and fairly mobile at 13.

Would also then give the option of using O'Loughlin at prop for short spells.

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It's enough to make you think we don't really need Hardaker...

Yes. he's been one of our better players this season. But that's starting from an abysmal base. And he always looks like he's running through treacle to me. If people are happy with Sarge at full-back (I am one of them), and if Hank is a better goal-kicker than Hardaker, and we have options in the centres and back-row...

Set against all that, though, will Sarge even be at Wigan next season?

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And i thought he was very high on the "Scapegoat" chart.... Fickle, fickle fickle...

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Quote: Wigan Peer "And i thought he was very high on the "Scapegoat" chart.... Fickle, fickle fickle...'"



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Quote: moto748 "It's enough to make you think we don't really need Hardaker...

Yes. he's been one of our better players this season. But that's starting from an abysmal base. And he always looks like he's running through treacle to me. If people are happy with Sarge at full-back (I am one of them), and if Hank is a better goal-kicker than Hardaker, and we have options in the centres and back-row...

Set against all that, though, will Sarge even be at Wigan next season?'"


Sounds unlikely which I thinks a shame.

We were having a conversation on the way back from the game last night about the loose rumours of a swap deal with Cas for Hardaker. It sounded a fanciful more that a concrete chance but the talk was Hardaker for McMeekan and if that was put to the club I wonder what their thoughts would be? They could get a good quality right sided second row to balance Greenwood or Faz on the left (or probably Faz at loose forward in time) with Sarginson bringing his energy from the back and in to the bargain potentially avoid the trouble you feel Hardaker may bring at some point.

All probably irrelevant but sometimes chances come along that make you make tough choices for the greater balance of the side.

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Wing? Hardaker will come back in at FB, he’s too good to miss out, so Sarge back to centre and then it doesn’t really matter who his winger is, they won’t receive a pass anyway and Hank is more dangerous in the air.

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