Do we want to be constantly rebuilding though? I'd understand having Shenton in there if he was going to start, but to take him over as a reserve seems a waste of experience which would be better given to a player who will still be available for a decade. Largely agree with regards to the rest, I think S.Tomkins, J.Burgess, Williams and Farrell may just about sneak into the 24 man squad, but only as cover (maybe in the minority but I think Farrell is a better player than Bateman). There is only O'Loughlin who I would have in the 17 for likely his last England appearances

Fair point. I suppose if by some miracle we do get to the final and picked up a few injuries who would you want to face O'Neill, Dugan, Chambers, Jennings etc etc? I'd probably be happier playing Bateman at centre rather than Gildart.

I think you might be in the minority rating Faz over Bateman. I love Faz, never lets us down. But I'd have Bateman every time. I think it was Danny Lockwood who described Bateman as the sort of bloke who marches into a pub and says "right, I'll fight the lot of you!" I'd want Bateman in my team every time, especially against the Aussies.

I rate Gildart, I think he's a cracking player. But at centre there's the out and out centres of Watkins, Percival and Shenton. On top of that, Bennett has used both Bateman and Hardaker there, so it wouldn't surprise me if he used them again.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of Bateman, but size seems to really make a difference in internationals, and I remember the kiwis having no trouble at all dealing with him in the Huddersfield test. A smart player can also wind him up enough to get him penalised/binned/sent off (I'm thinking the Salford away game a couple of years ago, when he came off the bench, got binned straight away, came out of the bin and got red carded straight away, resulting in a tight loss, and Warrington at home this year when we would have had a scrum with a minute to go at 10 - 14 until he slapped one of their players to give them the penalty to seal the game). Farrell is a bit bigger and runs very good lines which could in theory cause them problems, plus he's the far more experienced player of the two, although granted he doesn't have the same aggression as Bateman. Probably academic anyway as I expect the back row to be Whitehead, S.Burgess, O'Loughlin and Ferres on the bench, unless they use McQueen/Heighington

I know what you mean and I remember that Salford game. But I have to admit to being impressed with Bateman's discipline this season, when actually the discipline of everyone else seems to have suffered. Since the 'ban' he has controlled himself very well and I would have have no hesitation playing him for England. For his size he does seem to have freakish strength so the point about him being small, whilst being a fair point when talking about others, doesn't seem to apply to him IMO.

I agree with your choice. Ferres has never let England down and I have no problem with him being picked. I also think Burgess will play second row. We have Graham, Walmsley, Hill, Taylor and Watts for the front row and that is without the Burgess brothers who I think may be picked by the coach, but are inferior to those I've named.

I've hardly managed to watch any NRL this year - were the Burgess brothers so bad? Adding three debutants at prop when we have those two to call upon is a big call. Agree about having Taylor in though, he should have been in last time as well.

I would say McMeeken is a better bet...I would expect on SOL to be on the plane with maybe Bateman but no way Sam Tomkins, Joe Burgess or Liam Farrell should be anywhere near that squad, none have found any form whatsoever in the last few months.

hope none go and they get a good rest and pre season

Dear god, no!!!!

Ferres won't get in the squad since he's been awful all year.

I like Bateman but he's too small for Test rugby. Second row will be O'Loughlin and Whitehead with Sam Burgess at 13.

It's just a silly statement. Not you personally but the general consensus of it. He is as tough as anyone in the squad if not the toughest and a size vs strength test would have him out on top every time. As a defender and charging second rower, i would have him over Farrell and Ferres any day of the week. I concede that Farrell is much better at running the lines and finding gaps but Bateman's work rate puts him in every day of the week for me. There aren't many players who keep fighting for the full 80 mins at the same intensity as the 1st minute. Him and Lockers are as mentioned, the only two for me that should be in the squad. McMeeken is a shoe in (or should be) Then again i said Walmsley and Hill should have been there last time but weren't. Now i want, Walmsley, Taylor and Watts and will probably get none.

I think it depends on the player. John was at our club last night while his brother was training and for me has to be on the pitch. His mentality gives him an edge for me, I saw a post saying the Kiwis had his number but that was his first game against that stature of size. In the game against Australia after he was very good and had learned fromt he NZ game and equipped himself a lot better. Also to be surrounded by the size of SOL, Sam, Graham and Whitehead the pack is strong. We need a John type in there as Westwood was for us to dish some out