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I think a big reason that Joel is back is that Saracens have Bosch and Barrit now firmly established as their first choice centres so there was little chance of gametime for Joel next season anyway. As such Saracens are probably glad to get a very highly paid player off their salary cap who is no longer first choice. Also from Joel's point of view there would have been little prospect of him getting anywhere near the same salary again when his contract was up.

He has been overtaken at Saracens and will have had no chance of getting back in the England team, and several have overtaken them there too such as Eastmond. Joel has been really unfortunate with injuries at crucial times in his RU career that have hampered his progress. I still played for England though which in itself is a great achievement. I think this is one of those deals that suits all parties.

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Quote: Grimmy "It certainly does make it clear as day that we need to improve the prestige of playing international rugby league. Bringing back GB tours would be a good start IMO. Whilst I agree that the other three home nations don’t really bring much more to the table in playing terms (there’s only Ben Flower I can think of who isn’t English but might make a GB side) people just seem to get behind them more. Let’s get back to packing out DW, Huddersfield etc for £25+ tickets as we used to.

Ideally I’d like to see the calendar go tour, four nations, tour, world cup, rinse and repeat alternating hemispheres with us competing as GB for all but the world cup.

Add to that every year we could have a home nations tournament of England under 23s, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and France; with something likewise taking place between the island nations down under. The games could be used as curtain raisers to ashes games etc where possible. The team that wins the tournament the year before the four nations is held in their hemisphere gets to compete in them.'"


More needs to be done with the England Knights IMO. They should run a developing nations tournament in parallel to the elite nations one. This season the Knights could go down under and play a tournament against PNG, Samoa and Tonga with the games being played as curtain raisers to the 4 Nations games. Then when the 4N is over here run a similar tournament featuring Wales, Scotland, Ireland and Italy.

If the NRL are insistent that Australia won't be playing internationals in 2016 (which is why the mooted GB tour is apparently not happening), then I would focus the intentions in to arranging an 8 team WCC over here. We can't have another European international tournament as our only international RL like we did in 2012.

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Quote: WARRIORCRAIG "More needs to be done with the England Knights IMO. They should run a developing nations tournament in parallel to the elite nations one. This season the Knights could go down under and play a tournament against PNG, Samoa and Tonga with the games being played as curtain raisers to the 4 Nations games. Then when the 4N is over here run a similar tournament featuring Wales, Scotland, Ireland and Italy.

If the NRL are insistent that Australia won't be playing internationals in 2016 (which is why the mooted GB tour is apparently not happening), then I would focus the intentions in to arranging an 8 team WCC over here. We can't have another European international tournament as our only international RL like we did in 2016.'"

I hadn’t realised the NRL had taken that stance, that’s good of them!

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Quote: Grimmy "I hadn’t realised the NRL had taken that stance, that’s good of them!'"


I mean 2015 not 2016, and yes that's what seemed to be the reason why a tour isn't likely to happen.

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Not heard anything about this awful idea for a while either!

www.espn.co.uk/australia/rugby/story/208329.html
Not heard anything about this awful idea for a while either!

www.espn.co.uk/australia/rugby/story/208329.html


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For international rugby to take off we need Australia pushing the agenda or more to the point the people in charge off the NRL and their sponsors.

Australia like to spout off that it is our fault and to a lesser extent the Kiwis that the international game can't draw interest due to us not being able to compete but they show no willing to change or help out when they are in the strongest position to do so.

It's easy to just coordinate a complete shut down mid season for 1 month.
All players realised to fly to their appropriate side of the world.
6N each side
England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, France and Italy
New Zealand, Tonga, Samoa, Fiji, PNG, Cook Islands

Aus because of their dominance play SOO that month, they could possibly extend it to a 5 game series.

Other players not selected get a month off to rest, have operations, recover injuries.

Even have a Europe v Oceania 3 game series end of the season

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Quote: Wire Yed "For international rugby to take off we need Australia pushing the agenda or more to the point the people in charge off the NRL and their sponsors.

Australia like to spout off that it is our fault and to a lesser extent the Kiwis that the international game can't draw interest due to us not being able to compete but they show no willing to change or help out when they are in the strongest position to do so.

It's easy to just coordinate a complete shut down mid season for 1 month.
All players realised to fly to their appropriate side of the world.
6N each side
England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, France and Italy
New Zealand, Tonga, Samoa, Fiji, PNG, Cook Islands

Aus because of their dominance play SOO that month, they could possibly extend it to a 5 game series.

Other players not selected get a month off to rest, have operations, recover injuries.

Even have a Europe v Oceania 3 game series end of the season'"


If that happened then the majority of SL fans would would take a break from attending games. You can't force international RL to become popular by playing full time professional players against teams made up of semi pros and ozzies who qualify under some dodgy eligibility rules. No doubt hardly any of the ones who played in the World Cup would be available for a mid season tournament in the UK. The idea you have proposed would be good but requires years of further development in France, Italy and the other home nations first. It would also be incredibly difficult to work a 30+ game season around such a competition.

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I believe what Joel says, you might say he's bound to say that, but he actually is under no pressure to say anything he doesn't feel. He speaks with a great deal of honesty and integrity.

It's clear as day that he loves the club as does his brother, they both achieved all that was out to achieve in their first spells at Wigan then decided to try a new challenge.

It's a massive positive that Joel is back, and could help us on the way to more success over the next few years imo.

In regards to the international scene, it's common knowledge we're way behind RU. But, we are making progress the RLWC surprised even the most negative of supporters expectations. We just need to keep that momentum going in the right direction.

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IMHO expanding the WCC should be the first step.

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Quote: shaun_edwards_cheekbone "IMHO expanding the WCC should be the first step.'"


I've been saying this for a couple of years now. ATEOTD intl RL is very important but for the forseeable future we only have 3 competitive teams. Our strength as a sport is our club game. I would love to see a full on end of season 8 team WCC as group stage, SFs and final. And I would defintely have a lot more interest in going to watch Wigan/Leeds/Saints/Warrington v Melbourne/Souths/Sydney/Brisbane etc. than I would going to watch England put 60 on Wales.

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The trouble with the WCC is all the excitement is this side of the world only.

The insular Aussies see us as inferior and see it all as a waste of time.

One step should be having the WCC 2 weeks after the GF, so that players that won it are the same players that compete in it.

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Quote: Wire Yed "The trouble with the WCC is all the excitement is this side of the world only.

The insular Aussies see us as inferior and see it all as a waste of time.

One step should be having the WCC 2 weeks after the GF, so that players that won it are the same players that compete in it.'"


The aussies are insular about everything though, internationals or the club game. If rumours are to be believed they have scuppered the mooted GB tour next season and they didn't want to play internationals in 2012 which meant we got the awful European competition which saw 3 blow out scores and about 8,000 at Salford watching the final. At least with a WCC competition it would be the clubs who decided rather than the ARL, thought it would obviously have to funded somehow.

I agree ideally the WCC would be played at the end of the season, with same squads and coaches etc and with no disruption to either season. I don't think that would be taken too seriously either though because all they players would be too busy concentrating on celebrating their GF final win than they would on the upcoming WCC.

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Quote: Wire Yed "The trouble with the WCC is all the excitement is this side of the world only.

The insular Aussies see us as inferior and see it all as a waste of time.

One step should be having the WCC 2 weeks after the GF, so that players that won it are the same players that compete in it.'"


True, but I think with it made an end of season comp, maybe in alternating hemispheres we (the top SL teams) would compete. We need to do it consistently over there. As Craig said the strength in RL is in the in game. We should focus on our strengths.

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Quote: Wire Yed "The trouble with the WCC is all the excitement is this side of the world only.

The insular Aussies see us as inferior and see it all as a waste of time.

One step should be having the WCC 2 weeks after the GF, so that players that won it are the same players that compete in it.'"

That sounds great until you think about the logistics of it. One team's fans will have bugger all chance of being able to save up and get over for the game, plus the clubs would probably want a bit more time to prepare. I suppose one way to do it would be to extend the WCC to the top x amount of teams rather than the GF winner, at least everyone gets a bit more preparation time that way

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Quote: Eastbourne Warrior "Internationals is where RU are light years ahead of RL, it's where they get most of their money from too. They can play 'friendlies' in front of 80000 at twickenham where we struggled to get 25000 for World Cup games.

You can't blame players for wanting to play in that kind of arena.

I've been saying for a long time RL needs a set international calendar that we will stick to. We try concepts like the exiles for a couple of years and forget about it.

Everyone will have their own opinion of what we should do but I like the idea of introducing an RU style 5 nations. I think there is more chance of players that would be willing to play for Wales, Scotland and Ireland if they had regular fixtures. There is also more chance of clubs like the scorpions & crusaders being a success if their international team played regularly.

Without going into too much detail or giving it too much thought as to where fixtures would fit in
This. It constantly annoys me that we never know when or even what hemisphere England/GB will be playing next. We desperately need a set international calendar. At least we've got a set World Cup schedule now but I'd go with a set 4 year cycle of:
(All end of season comps)
Year 1 - 5 Nations in Southern Hemisphere (Eng, Aus, NZ & top 2 pacific Island nations)
Year 2 - Ashes Tour
Year 3 - 5 Nations in Northern Hemisphere (Eng, Aus, NZ & top 2 European nations)
Year 4 - World Cup

I don't see why that can't be done. Or something along similar lines anyway. But make it a set, definitive calendar. Not a "well we might do but we might not and then we'll just decide what's happening a few months beforehand". It's the only way we'll build interest. Both from spectators and sponsors.

I'd also have an annual mid-season 5 Nations both here and down under. I understand the arguments against it, but I think it's better than nothing. The one here would obviously be England, Ireland, France, Scotland & Wales. The one down under would be Australia, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Fiji, Tonga/Samoa.
It could be done in 3 or 4 weeks with mid-week games, done in the same format as the Union 6 Nations, ie 1 game v each team and no final.
SL will have to take a break like it does for the Challenge Cup.

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