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| Bowen
Manfredi
Goulding
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Green
Bench:
Clubb
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Give Smith & Sarginson a rest
Try the under 19s half backs in the first team
Let Blake Green do the O'Loughlin role of linking the play in attack, in defence we can hide him wider out if necessary.
Give Hughes the second row spot.
Only one player out of position.
Why not give this team a go against Hull.
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| It's all well and good saying these things. But being honest I think we all know the chances of this experimentation happening are very low, as it's never really happened in the past.
More than likely the team will be similar to last week but maybe (hopefully) with Gelling and Sarginson swapping roles, in addition to someone replacing Farrell due to his injury.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "It's a non starter for me due to that.
Micky Mac at 13 will add mobility in that back three and open up playing minutes for Williams and Powell. He'd be my option to drop in to the backrow.'"
I agree with Micky Mac at 13 but I'd play Williams at 9 and Powell and Hampshire in the halves. I'd put Green or Smith on the bench
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| You will d1ck us
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| Clubb should only play at prop.
Mac or Green could play at 13, though I much prefer Mac at 9, and think the defensive work would be too much for Green.
I had thought that Bateman had played there a fair bit (and yet he doesn't look the part so far). Hughes should play second row, as could Gelling.
So...
Bowen - Manfredi - Goulding - Sarginson - Burgess - Green - Smith
Taylor - Mac - Clubb - Hughes - Gelling - Bateman
Dudson - Williams - James - Farrell
(If Eddie is fit, I'd play him at 12, and drop Gelling to the bench).
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| Listening to Wane on Wigan TV we are missing Bowen, Hampshire & Tierney so no full back. Charnley, Thornley, Flower, Pettybourne, Farrell, SOL and Burke so short on numbers.
Sarginson
Manfredi
Goulding
Gelling
Burgess
Green
Smith
Crosby
Williams/Powell
Taylor
Bateman
Hughes
MM
Clubb
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Dudson
Lever
He did mention Sutton and/or Austin may play
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| Just send the players wives and girlfriends that will be enough to beat us at the moment or the cleaners and tea ladies
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| Quote: Phuzzy "Agree. We've plenty of quality in the halves with Smith, Powell, Hampshire and Williams so we should use it! We simply cannot play with a '3rd prop' style of LF as we've seen time and again. We've tried Clubb, Flower, Farrell, Hanson and many others in the last few seasons and none has really worked for us. We need a ball player or an extra half if you will. Lockers is the only one who can combine both roles effectively. Let's try going the whole hog and putting Green there. Worth a shot!'"
Not sure how you can say Flower at LF didn't work, did you forget how we got the grand final last year? Flower was our man of the match at loose against Hudds in the play offs IMO. Green defending at loose would be a disaster, he struggles at stand off
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| Quote: Eastbourne Warrior "Listening to Wane on Wigan TV we are missing Bowen, Hampshire & Tierney so no full back. '"
Time to bring Radlinski back, he's had a good long rest now...
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| Quote: Geoff "Time to bring Radlinski back, he's had a good long rest now...'"
And would play for free (again )
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| I had you as clear favorites, but with your injuries the game is 50/50 IMO, I hope for a reaction to our loss last week and we usually win one, lose one. The Wigan side still looks a good exciting side, the average age of that squad but be very low and you know that Wane will have them fired up. one of the most impressive things about Wigan is the way the young players seem to slot into the systems so well and not look out of place.
At Hull we are slowly getting there with our young player.
Keep an eye out for the slim, fit Feka, i'm sure he will get a good reaction from your fans.
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| Quote: Grimmy "Not sure how you can say Flower at LF didn't work, did you forget how we got the grand final last year? Flower was our man of the match at loose against Hudds in the play offs IMO. Green defending at loose would be a disaster, he struggles at stand off'"
Because one good game from that position doesn't mean it works. How many good games has he had from prop? Practically all of them! Flower is an excellent player; in fact one of the first names on the team sheet I would imagine, and will always 'do a job'. You could argue that Clubb did the same against Leeds. However, that I not the answer to our conundrum when Lockers doesn't play. Makeshift is not the long term answer given he is injured more and more these days. We need to find a solution that offers the same attacking structures as when O'Loughlin is there and, ultimately, that means the passing abilities of a half. Neither Flower or Clubb (or Farrell for that matter) offer that. Green would. You mention he may not have the defensive game for it and perhaps you're right. There's only one way to find out...
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| Quote: Phuzzy "Because one good game from that position doesn't mean it works. How many good games has he had from prop? Practically all of them! Flower is an excellent player; in fact one of the first names on the team sheet I would imagine, and will always 'do a job'. You could argue that Clubb did the same against Leeds. However, that I not the answer when Lockers doesn't play. Makeshift is not the long term answer given he is injured more and more these days. We need to find a solution that offers the same attacking structures as when O'Loughlin is there and, ultimately, that means the passing abilities of a half. Neither Flower or Clubb (or Farrell for that matter) offer that. Green would. You mention he may not have the defensive game for it and perhaps you're right. There's only one way to find out...
Flower had plenty good games at LF last year I just picked Hudds because it was a stand out game against tough opposition. Are you forgetting he started out at loose? You mention retaining the attacking structure. Do we not also need the same defensive structure? You're talking about replacing our top tackler with a poor defender, aside from that we lose the hard yards Lockers makes (a big issue given that we're already a small pack with two or three very average forwards). You're also disrupting the half back partnership when there's no need to. No way can we afford Blake Green in our pack
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| Should be fascinating. We should still have a stronger side than Easter Monday, and that turned out ok.
I read that he was thinking about Gelling at 1 - that could either be good or disastrous. Sarginson has played 1 pretty well in the past, and I think it's his best position.
Clubb is a prop. Farrell or Lever would both do a better job in the second row, and we would miss him at prop.
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| Quote: Grimmy "Flower had plenty good games at LF last year I just picked Hudds because it was a stand out game against tough opposition. Are you forgetting he started out at loose? You mention retaining the attacking structure. Do we not also need the same defensive structure? You're talking about replacing our top tackler with a poor defender, aside from that we lose the hard yards Lockers makes (a big issue given that we're already a small pack with two or three very average forwards). You're also disrupting the half back partnership when there's no need to. No way can we afford Blake Green in our pack'"
I disagree that he had 'plenty good games' at LF. I think for the most part he was totally wasted there, as is Clubb. It doesn't matter that he started at LF. He's not a LF anymore. Clubb started at centre but he's not that anymore either! The bottom line is you either like 'the extra prop at loose' approach or you don't. I don't. I have no problem if you do though. It's all opinion at the end of the day.
Regarding the rest of your post, I agree that Green wouldn't be a direct replacement for Lockers. No one in world rugby is, if we're being honest. Yes, we would lose some of the hard yards he does but against that we would have extra pace and a better kicking game from the pack, something Leeds often utilise to good effect when playing Sinfield there. Overall a loss, but not as great a loss as Flower, for example, with whom we lose a passing game, pace and any semblance of a kicking game whatsoever. Moreover we lose ALL our attacking structures as, almost without exception, they rely on Lockers passing game which Flower simply does not have. Defensively Flower is more akin to Lockers than Green so we would lose out there for sure. However we would gain by being able to play a more defensive Half back in Williams or Powell. Swings and roundabouts perhaps? I'd be happy to say a net loss defensively but maybe not as much as you're making out overall.
The simple fact remains that we aren't as good without O'Loughlin at LF. Nothing we have tried so far has come close to addressing this. I can't see how trying Green there would be a bad thing. If it doesn't work we are no worse off. If it does work at least we have a plan B for when Lockers is missing.
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