If we lose .. which I don't think we will .. but, if we do; then I'd like to see Warrington lift the cup at OT over Saints.

As much as I dislike both TEAMS, I think the true Wire fans deserve a grand final win. Plus, it'll keep the league looking 'fresh' in the eyes of the media .. personally, to me, that's the main thing.

But, of course, that's only if we lose to Saints.

Absolute worst nightmare scenario ever.

I will have to take a last minute holiday out of the country leaving my mobile phone and any other means of communication behind.

Unthinkable.

I am hoping that the GF will be a repeat of the CCF - Warriors v Whinos!

Yeah, reaching 6 GFs on the spin, how embarrassing for us to remain competitive.

I'd rather we nearly got relegated or missed the play-offs entirely like Wigan and Wire in recent years than kept reaching these pesky finals, that would be much better.

should wigan lose on saturday. if its leeds v st helens i want leeds. if its st helens v warrington i want st helens. i just dont like warrington.as i always go to sl grand final i will have a team to win

Its a great record, but you must think its time to actually win one?

Of course it is, if we deserve to win the game, we will. If we don't, we won't.

But I don't find reaching grand finals embarrassing. If we get there and are outplayed in the final, that will be disappointing and upsetting, but certainly not embarrassing.

As I pointed out when I completely destroyed you on that other thread, close enough is NOT good enough. The aim is to WIN, not 'almost' win.

Four grand final chokes on the trot is, frankly, an embarrassing record.

This + 1.

The aim is to win, after all. Losing is failure.

But surely you must find losing four on the trot embarrassing. I know I would, and I also know that you'd be the first to never shut up about it if it was Wigan who had FAILED to win four on the bounce.

If I were you, I'd be praying we beat you on Saturday to save you further embarrassment.

I also find it hard to believe that someone who calls themselves a real fan, as I presume you do, would accept four, potentially five successive high profile failures. Show me a Saints fan who would, and I, my friend, will show you a dirtygreatbigfeckoff liar.

Surely being the 'Jimmy White' of Rugby League, must bother you a little bit?

It's a bad record, but not embarrassing.

Look at 2007 - 2009, would you rather bow out where we did, 1 game short every year or get to the Final?

We've won the Super League more often than anyone else, and reached more Grand Finals than anyone else.

I'm so embarrassed

Anyone who would rather not reach a final to avoid risking losing a final is a coward. How can reaching a final be more embarrassing than not reaching a final?

All very small time.