Well I hope J Tomkins has paid for his ticket or better still has got one. I thought all the Wire fans had bought the tickets according to them.

joel miss out hahahhhahahahahhahhhhhahahhahhhhhhahahhha

what ever

I would be tempted to drop Joel or Hansen this week as opposed to Flanagan, as long as O'Loughlin is fit.

Flan was absolutely awesome against Saints - would drop JT personally, been poor for a few games now and doesn't send the right message to other youngsters if you're going to drop someone who was superb (MOM contender) in the previous game.

How would Sam react if his brother was dropped?

I can guarantee you that if Joel doesn't play and Sam has a poor game there will be some on here blaming Noble for dropping Joel and it being the reason for Sams poor form.

but what if joel doesn't make it long term for wigan? do they only play as a package? and does the same apply to tomkins III who is just coming through? It really shouldnt affect him but as you say you never know.

Joel had a poor outing admittedly but he has already "made it" at Wigan.

It would be absolutely criminal to drop Flanagan and leave in Fielden.

I have to disagree, in my opinion he has much to work on given the competition we have in the backrow, with a fully fit backrow available which it seems we may have, Tomkins has to miss out for me. His ball security needs a lot of work and at the moment is showing no signs of improving which is a worry for me for his long term prospects at Wigan.

Who do we play at prop then?

And before you say Mossop, I don't think Mossop is ready to play prop against Morley, Carvell etc. Although he had a good game against Saints (superb second half) he was playing out wide as a second row and not thumping it up the middle.

Hock has gone, Bailey is getting no younger and IMO he is better then Hansen. I think he is safe.

Mossop in my opinion is ahead of him on form of this year, on form of this year i would take Hansen. Bailey potentially has one more year in him, and simply because he is a current Wigan player with a starting shirt does not mean he always should be.

His error count and ball retention is poor, when he has a good run of games he cuts this out but it always creeps back in.

He has the potential to be part of the fixtures and fitting for a long time but i do not think until he improves significantly in this department is he entitled to be, we have to look to put together a squad and improve in areas across the park, if there is better out there then Joel does not have a devine right to being in the Wigan club.

As for the coming week, Mossop, Flanigan, Hansen, Bailey and Locky all deserve a place over him in my opinion.

you make me laugh,after richards last year joel was our best player and was 2nd in young player of the year,and filled in for lockers very well
he contributes to the team very well and takes chances which dont always come off,so what
when he has a great game on sat your opinions will change

your right we will, but thats because he's had a string of poor games now. Even in the games when he played well he was particularly error strewn, and with the strength in depth of the back row he shouldn't and won't get the benefit of doubt as others because there is a ready made replacement to walk into the team.