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Early in Wane's career I used to express frustration over our style of play. Backs making hard yards, etc. I'm accustomed to it now - and loving how successful we've been. I'd love us to have a Chris Hill or Walmesley (where's the mouthwash?) but perhaps that's just not how our coach gets the job done?

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Quote: MadDogg "Frank was as good as anybody in his second half stint on Friday. His effort was tremendous.'"



I'm with you tbh. Don't get me wrong I think he's got more to give but I don't think his form is horrendous by any stretch. If anything I actually think he's playing a bit better over the past month or so.

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He doesn't do enough minutes plus he always appears to be the dummy runner. He needs to up his game time and his involvement when he is on.

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Quote: hatty "What is his job on the field then, please tell me because I honestly don't know what he does. If he's not on to make yards then he must be on to set up plays, or maybe get on the end of plays to score tries, unfortunately he doesn't do any of these either.'"

Mainly defensive, the same way Waney uses all our props. Tackle hard and slow down the PTB. In attack, draw in as many tacklers as possible and aim for a quick PTB. Not rocket science.

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Quote: hatty "He doesn't do enough minutes plus he always appears to be the dummy runner. He needs to up his game time and his involvement when he is on.'"


Or maybe he is playing to instructions from the coach. Wane has stated several times in the past he has a specific game plan for his props. I like to see the props making yards but ours, whoever they are have never done that under Wane. We tend to have a set of props, none of which playing big minutes.

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FPN hasn't been as bad as say Eddie Pettybourne. I'd say he has been about as good as Jeff Lima in his first season. But for an overseas player with a big reputation, I suppose we expected a lot more from him than he has delivered. I think we expected to see someone as good as Hill or Walmsley or even Taylor, but he isn't a patch on them.

Regardless of Wane's methods he should have been better when he does run with the ball. He does have a quick PTB when he is on song, but he struggles to dominate and gets stopped by the first contact regularly.

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Quote: Geoff "Mainly defensive, the same way Waney uses all our props. Tackle hard and slow down the PTB. In attack, draw in as many tacklers as possible and aim for a quick PTB. Not rocket science.'"

Not rocket science no, but it does appear to be quantum physics to FPN. The guys is earning big bucks and should be giving a lot more on the field than he does.

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Quote: Trainman "Or maybe he is playing to instructions from the coach. Wane has stated several times in the past he has a specific game plan for his props. I like to see the props making yards but ours, whoever they are have never done that under Wane. We tend to have a set of props, none of which playing big minutes.'"

So why pay good money for an international prop forward and then not have any game plan for him? it doesn't make sense. We may as well spend money on someone from division one and get them to follow the no game plan approach and save money to boot.

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Quote: Aboveusonlypie "FPN hasn't been as bad as say Eddie Pettybourne. I'd say he has been about as good as Jeff Lima in his first season. But for an overseas player with a big reputation, I suppose we expected a lot more from him than he has delivered. I think we expected to see someone as good as Hill or Walmsley or even Taylor, but he isn't a patch on them.

Regardless of Wane's methods he should have been better when he does run with the ball. He does have a quick PTB when he is on song, but he struggles to dominate and gets stopped by the first contact regularly.'"


This, in a nutshell.

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When someone comes across from the NRL with a reputation along with the tag line "wrecking ball" you'd at least expect that player to make the hard yards, bust tackles and require 3-4 opposition players to bring him down.

Steve 'zip zip man' Ella - we got what was said on the tin.
Steve 'The Pearl' Renouf - another classy player.

Whilst he went okay on Friday in parts, he should have been our 'go forward' in our time of need. However yet again the lesser named Tautai outshone him as he has done all season.

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Quote: MattyB "When someone comes across from the NRL with a reputation along with the tag line "wrecking ball" you'd at least expect that player to make the hard yards, bust tackles and require 3-4 opposition players to bring him down.

Steve 'zip zip man' Ella - we got what was said on the tin.
Steve 'The Pearl' Renouf - another classy player.

Whilst he went okay on Friday in parts, he should have been our 'go forward' in our time of need. However yet again the lesser named Tautai outshone him as he has done all season.'"

Bingo. I don't claim to be a expert in defensive structures but it appears to me that a lot of breaks/tries seem to happen through gaps either side of him as well. Cas looked like they were targeting him a lot due to his fitness.

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If FPN is leaving at the end of the season this should allow a pay rise for Tautai, he deserves one, easily our best prop ATM.

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Thought TT was leaving as well.
That's quite a bit of salary available for a replacement(s).

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Quote: MattyB "When someone comes across from the NRL with a reputation along with the tag line "wrecking ball" you'd at least expect that player to make the hard yards, bust tackles and require 3-4 opposition players to bring him down.

Steve 'zip zip man' Ella - we got what was said on the tin.
Steve 'The Pearl' Renouf - another classy player.

Whilst he went okay on Friday in parts, he should have been our 'go forward' in our time of need. However yet again the lesser named Tautai outshone him as he has done all season.'"

Add Greg "The Wall" Dowling to that list, FPN should watch a few DVD's of Greg playing.

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FPN certainly hasn't lived up to his reputation, but I don't think he's been as bad as "some" have made out. For some reason he seems to be better in his second spell, and was very good at Wakefield when he wasn't used as the starting prop. Maybe a swap around, with Tautai starting, would help?

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