I'm not going to get into the forward pass as those who are convinced one way or the other will not be moved on the matter.

But I don't buy that Wigan were holding back set plays or something else for the semi-finals. When you are playing at that kind of intensity there is not the space and time to think about holding something back or saying well we'll not use that play tonight because it may get found out before the semis.

Both sides gave it a good show and both sides will be convinced and happy that next time they can play better.

Whoever is saying that about Wigan holding back have obviously blown a fuse. That was Wigan at their best so they had better get used to it, we were only missing Farrell and Sarginson, the latter not being the same player he was last year anyway.

It was me regarding set plays. I know it was done during Maguire's years. Anyone suggesting sides don't hold back certain plays for big games obviously have little knowledge of pro sport.

So you thought Wigan held back? I book yourself an appointment at the docs mate, that was Wigan at their best. As already pointed out by Nicky Kiss, Wigan are a complete sham on our oppositions line and we had plenty of spent time on Saints try line on Friday night.

I actually said I was hoping we were. Not sure if you've read my post. I'm not saying they DID, just that it's been done before.

I'm with you, I hope we're not showing our hand but I doubt it. We've been terrible in the opposition twenty all year. We seem to lose all shape and organisation and we really need to work hard on it. Sadly it's a bit late in this season and I do expect it to pick up ten fold next season when Sam is back because he'll undoubtably organise us much better then Bowen (who's been excellent recent but is more of an off the cuff player then Sam Tomkins who's totally changed his style of play).

Guys like Matty Smith, McIlorum and Lockers should take a vast amount if blame for it IMO. They're the senior blokes and should be calling the shots. I do take a certain amount if pity on them though as they don't have a Walmsley, Masoe, Cuthbertson or even Crabtree to act as a decoy which puts just enough doubt in the opposition mind to open up space for others.

Farrell I grant you (though we were missing Walmsley) but you've been better without Sarginson this year.

Ah who cares. The result means nothing if we beat Cas.

If Saints are away in the play off's they go out. I want them down here. Let Huddersfield and Leeds battle the other one out.

You'd think people would have learned their lesson with regards to bold statements like that at this stage of the season.

Comments like that have a funny way of coming back to bite you.

You won't get an easy passage like last year and a fluke in the final again. You are poor champions.

Yes, I agree. But to be fair, we haven't exactly been fantastic ourselves throughout the season.

Yeah but you're much poorer runners-up!

Haha. Like you lot cared about easy passages when you won the cup in 2013.