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| Quote WARRIORCRAIG="WARRIORCRAIG"I agree that some of the younger players have got plenty of first team games under their belt, but none of the ones you've mentioned can really be seen as leaders. If you look at the leadership team that Madge implemented in 2010, most of those players have moved on, all apart from Lockers in fact, plus we've lost another 2 senior figures this year in Sam and Pat, and there aren't that many in a similar mould in the current squad. I'm not talking about senior players just with a regards to age or number of games, but also leadership qualities. Having a number of figures around him definitely helped Lockers kick on when he wasn't having to shoulder all the responsibilty himself.
FWIW I don't actually think it would be a massive disaster if H did move on this year, but ideally I'd want him to do another year.'"
Fair points.
How about the following with leadership qualities - MMc/Matty/Blake/Faz?
I don't know enough about Bowen/Pettybourne - maybe they are good leaders.
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What i would say about hansen is the stats will rarely tell the story of his efforts in defence. He, along with mcilorum, oloughlin and more recently flower, absolutely steamrolls people. Again and again in the big games. We saw liam farrell mature last season, and hughes play in a fair number of games back in the second row, but neither will currently bring that ability to dominate defensively that i personally feel is key to how wigan perform in the big games.
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| Quote the wrestler="the wrestler"What i would say about hansen is the stats will rarely tell the story of his efforts in defence. He, along with mcilorum, oloughlin and more recently flower, absolutely steamrolls people. Again and again in the big games. We saw liam farrell mature last season, and hughes play in a fair number of games back in the second row, but neither will currently bring that ability to dominate defensively that i personally feel is key to how wigan perform in the big games.'"
This is a very good point. Stats cannot show how hard someone hits in a tackle and this in Rugby League does make a huge difference. |
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Unfortunately for Wigan this is already a done deal, any of the young Wigan lads coming through the youth system are on a hiding to nothing at the moment.
If Lenagan keeps penny pinching like he is at the minute, bringing over high paid NRL imports then H's departure will not be the last, Tuson, Mossop ETC.
A good indicator of someone like H's standing in the team is the massive uproar that his departure has created with the other players in the team when they found out recently.
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| Quote Johnny Headline="Johnny Headline"Unfortunately for Wigan this is already a done deal, any of the young Wigan lads coming through the youth system are on a hiding to nothing at the moment.
If Lenagan keeps [upenny pinching[/u like he is at the minute, [ubringing over high paid NRL imports[/u then H's departure will not be the last, Tuson, Mossop ETC.
A good indicator of someone like H's standing in the team is the massive uproar that his departure has created with the other players in the team when they found out recently.'"
Penny pinching AND bringing over high paid NRL imports?
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| Quote Johnny Headline="Johnny Headline"Unfortunately for Wigan this is already a done deal, any of the young Wigan lads coming through the youth system are on a hiding to nothing at the moment.
If Lenagan keeps penny pinching like he is at the minute, bringing over high paid NRL imports then H's departure will not be the last, Tuson, Mossop ETC.
A good indicator of someone like H's standing in the team is the massive uproar that his departure has created with the other players in the team when they found out recently.'"
Well if the current regime continues, through its management to bring continued success, then so be it... The message to the young players is, if you are good enough, you get a chance... You ought to look at the players who have been given debuts, and how many are currently in 1st choice berths, and the size of the squad, which has a high number of classy youngsters waiting in the wings... I will be sad to see H go, if he does, but I also look forward to seeing his replacements stake a claim... We have to move on, sentimentality has no place in team/squad selection... You must also consider that H may actually WANT to leave... |
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| Quote Johnny Headline="Johnny Headline"Unfortunately for Wigan this is already a done deal, any of the young Wigan lads coming through the youth system are on a hiding to nothing at the moment.
If Lenagan keeps penny pinching like he is at the minute, bringing over high paid NRL imports then H's departure will not be the last, Tuson, Mossop ETC.
A good indicator of someone like H's standing in the team is the massive uproar that his departure has created with the other players in the team when they found out recently.'"
Didn't you previously tell us he was signing for NZ Warriors, and that we were signing Paul Wood?  |
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| Quote Johnny Headline="Johnny Headline"Unfortunately for Wigan this is already a done deal, any of the young Wigan lads coming through the youth system are on a hiding to nothing at the moment.
If Lenagan keeps penny pinching like he is at the minute, bringing over high paid NRL imports then H's departure will not be the last, Tuson, Mossop ETC.
A good indicator of someone like H's standing in the team is the massive uproar that his departure has created with the other players in the team when they found out recently.'"
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| Quote Grimmy="Grimmy"Didn't you previously tell us he was signing for NZ Warriors, and that we were signing Paul Wood?
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| Quote Johnny Headline="Johnny Headline"not that i recall, talks were held with Frank Endacott his agent.'"
Quote Johnny Headline="Johnny Headline"speaking to HH with frank Endacott, heard it here first!! couple of big NRL clubs interested!'"
Quote Johnny Headline="Johnny Headline"im hearing noises about a potential move to the NRL after the 2013 season with Hock, anybody else heard anything?? Paul Wood coming from Warrington??'"
Quote Johnny Headline="Johnny Headline"just been told there are 3 clubs in for Hansen aswell as NZ Warriors!!!! seems the slary cap uplift over there is working'"
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Is it just me Grimmy or have you just proved Mr Headline right?
his quote says end of 2013 and a "potential" move?
If Hock has been persuaded to stay by Koucash why couldn't Hansen?
no smoke without fire and all that!
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| Quote Binosh="Binosh"Is it just me Grimmy or have you just proved Mr Headline right?
his quote says end of 2013 and a "potential" move?
If Hock has been persuaded to stay by Koucash why couldn't Hansen?
no smoke without fire and all that!'"
Apparently Hansen has bought a new 5 bedroom house in Leigh, so he's not likely to leave these shores, and a mate who knows his family says he couldn't afford a 5 bedroom house with the wages Wigan were paying him. |
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