Don't you go on .... okay so it counts as a knock on .... now sit down, relax, and enjoy a replay of the game like me!

And that is very likely - to almost certain - to happen. James Graham is believed to have signed a three-year deal with the Bulldogs and Puletua has family commitments back home. Saints fans can harp incessantly about who they were missing and how well a few 19-year-old lads did, but take James Graham and Tony Puletua out of that side and Wigan would have absolutely flogged them. Graham and Puletua are the fulcrum of everything that Saints do well. Take them two out of that side and Stains are in trouble.

Are you not forgetting the best player in superleague so far in the machine that is James Roby.

So you're pinning your hopes on James Roby? He can't work behind a beaten pack. I expect his performances to drop considerably if you fail to replace James Graham and Tony Puletua with any considerable top quality forwards.

Dear Saintsfan .... I know we are from Wigan and therefore a bit slow to take things on board ... but I think we understand by now that you had a young team out, that our first try was from a forward pass and that Hoffman should be banned for the rest of the season. Afterall your fellow fans have been on this site making excuses for the past four or five hours.

And you take Richards and Tomkins out of the wigan team and they are mid table at best

Most of the players mentioned as missing having been part of the perennial runners up. What part of taking full strength sides at the business end of the season, do you not understand? The comment wasn't about today, which in the grand scheme of things means absolutely nothing, regardless of Saints gallant performance in defeat. Just to emphasise the point, a team of youngsters played in a team decimated by injuries and actually beat a pretty much full strength Saints side on Good Friday in 2003 against all odds. They were lauded as a golden generation at the time, but nothing came of it and only one of those players remained part of the squad that won the GF in 2010 (O'Loughlin) and he remains the only player to have won a trophy of the 17 in the period since. Thats why I take the Saints hyperbole about youngsters in a one-off game with a pinch of salt - there's only Lomax out of the new lot that I have any envy about (Graham and Roby otherwise) and I'd take our collection of home grown talent in the team and squad every time moving forward.

Swap Richards, Tomkins and Wigan for Graham, Roby and St. Helens and you have the same sentence. Every team has its good players that they rely on and their squad fillers.

Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"Actually, the Saints youngsters you saw today by and large were in the academy side who beat Wigan in the Academy grand final a few years back - I think it was 2008? Foster, Magennis, Lomax, Ashurst (who all played tonight) as well as Dixon (played in the GF last season), were all promoted from the Academy to the first team when they were 18. For the two years under Potter they all got a lot of game time because from about the second half of the first season under Potter we began to have really serious injury issues. Wheeler and Eastmond were in the previous cohort and both played in Academy teams that beat the Aussies in their own back yard. '" 2008: wigan.rlfans.com/news.php?readmore=636 2009: wigan.rlfans.com/news.php?readmore=759 2010: wigan.rlfans.com/news.php?readmore=936 You might see some familiar names in the losing Saints teams that strangely match most of those in your post Quote SaintsFan We only pick the best of our u20s lads for first team action. We may not beat you in u20s grand finals, but that doesn't mean we don't have very talented young players in those sides. Most of them, though, will be average and possibly go on to other things. IMO it is far more important to extract the really talented ones and promote them to the first team than to win u20s GFs. '" It's probably important that the Senior team also manage to win the GF? I wonder which group of youngsters from those three academy seasons have already done that Quote SaintsFan Given that you are the reigning champions and had only two of your players missing, as Wigan fans you must be very worried that you could only beat such a young Saints side by the score of a try obtained from a forward pass that even your coach recognised as such. But us Saints fans are delighted by what we saw. And to think, Makinson is only 19 and that is only the third time he has played in a first grade match, and he has yet to play a full match at this level. In terms of talent and commitment, these are very, very encouraging times for us.'" Whatever makes you happy.

Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"Actually, the Saints youngsters you saw today by and large were in the academy side who beat Wigan in the Academy grand final a few years back - I think it was 2008? Foster, Magennis, Lomax, Ashurst (who all played tonight) as well as Dixon (played in the GF last season), were all promoted from the Academy to the first team when they were 18. For the two years under Potter they all got a lot of game time because from about the second half of the first season under Potter we began to have really serious injury issues. Wheeler and Eastmond were in the previous cohort and both played in Academy teams that beat the Aussies in their own back yard. '" 2008: wigan.rlfans.com/news.php?readmore=636 2009: wigan.rlfans.com/news.php?readmore=759 2010: wigan.rlfans.com/news.php?readmore=936 You might see some familiar names in the losing Saints teams that strangely match most of those in your post Quote SaintsFan We only pick the best of our u20s lads for first team action. We may not beat you in u20s grand finals, but that doesn't mean we don't have very talented young players in those sides. Most of them, though, will be average and possibly go on to other things. IMO it is far more important to extract the really talented ones and promote them to the first team than to win u20s GFs. '" It's probably important that the Senior team also manage to win the GF? I wonder which group of youngsters from those three academy seasons have already done that Quote SaintsFan Given that you are the reigning champions and had only two of your players missing, as Wigan fans you must be very worried that you could only beat such a young Saints side by the score of a try obtained from a forward pass that even your coach recognised as such. But us Saints fans are delighted by what we saw. And to think, Makinson is only 19 and that is only the third time he has played in a first grade match, and he has yet to play a full match at this level. In terms of talent and commitment, these are very, very encouraging times for us.'" Whatever makes you happy.

Well played wigan.

We have broke many a heart in the last minute, was about time it happened to us

42-12?? That's an awful lot of forward passes that!