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"Come, follow me, and I will show you how to fish for people!" Matthew 4:19 Things I learned on 11/08/12 Gareth Hock can't pass Gareth Hock can't run Gareth Hock can't fight [url=http://www.dailystar.co.uk/rugby/view/256856/Gareth-Hock-relives-drugs-ban-hell/:22njixh9]I'm assured he can snort a line of coke the size of a Mecca dauber though.[/url:22njixh9]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_51898.png



Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "For a small minority, unfortunately yes.'"


a minority of Wigan fans?

You think a minority of Wigan fans don't like KP for "not so obvious reasons"?

I don't mean to be thick but i thought as a Wigan player it wouldn't matter whether he was taking drugs or cheating. Never mind what you are suggesting.

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Quote: jdrocket "a minority of Wigan fans?

You think a minority of Wigan fans don't like KP for "not so obvious reasons"?

I don't mean to be thick but i thought as a Wigan player it wouldn't matter whether he was taking drugs or cheating. Never mind what you are suggesting.'"



I know you dont mean to be, but you are thick...

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Quote: "Indeed. I've no doubt the reason why Pryce gets some of his abuse is the same reason Calderwood got his - and it has nothing to do with rugby'"


you mean that they aren't from Wigan ?

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Quote: Pieman "I know you dont mean to be, but you are thick...'"


takes one to know one!

also, I'm not thick. That isn't nice is it? i was bang on the money.

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Quote: jdrocket "a minority of Wigan fans?

You think a minority of Wigan fans don't like KP for "not so obvious reasons"?

I don't mean to be thick but i thought as a Wigan player it wouldn't matter whether he was taking drugs or cheating. Never mind what you are suggesting.'"


I've read this a few times now and I'm still at a loss at what you're trying to get at.

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Quote: florimo "you mean that they aren't from Wigan ?'"


That's certainly one way of looking at it.

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What's the rumpus, Tom? [quote="Pemps":1dso5atj]I can't confirm Bennett's exact words but I believe they were along the lines of "Strewth Ian, I wouldn't touch him with yours. He's a flammin' Gala". [/quote:1dso5atj] [quote="Wigan Peer":1dso5atj]I keep my bin under 30mph to avoid fines... :CURTAIN:[/quote:1dso5atj] [quote="MattyB":1dso5atj]you cant tell me they are all busting for a turd. [/quote:1dso5atj] Please see for me if she's wearing a coat so warm To keep her from the howlin' winds.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44075.jpg



Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "For a small minority, unfortunately yes.'"


Don't be including me in your "small minority"

To be quite honest whilst i imagine some folks views are perhaps tainted by racism, it is sorry to see a discussion about a controversial player be dragged down with this kind of talk.

TBH it stinks. Seems more a ploy by yourself in order to label people who disagree with you a possible racist.

Well done you have won your argument.

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Quote: tugglesf78 "Don't be including me in your "small minority"

To be quite honest whilst i imagine some folks views are perhaps tainted by racism, it is sorry to see a discussion about a controversial player be dragged down with this kind of talk.

TBH it stinks. Seems more a ploy by yourself in order to label people who disagree with you a possible racist.

Well done you have won your argument.'"


I've not included anyone specific so don't worry yourself.

So while you agree some people's views will be tainted by racism, we shouldn't be talking about it - even though you admit it happens? What the problem?

I won my argument when you wrote the rubbish you did about him being lazy and a shocking defender - there's plenty of facts out there that show that not to be the case.

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What's the rumpus, Tom? [quote="Pemps":1dso5atj]I can't confirm Bennett's exact words but I believe they were along the lines of "Strewth Ian, I wouldn't touch him with yours. He's a flammin' Gala". [/quote:1dso5atj] [quote="Wigan Peer":1dso5atj]I keep my bin under 30mph to avoid fines... :CURTAIN:[/quote:1dso5atj] [quote="MattyB":1dso5atj]you cant tell me they are all busting for a turd. [/quote:1dso5atj] Please see for me if she's wearing a coat so warm To keep her from the howlin' winds.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44075.jpg



Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "I've not included anyone specific so don't worry yourself.

So while you agree some people's views will be tainted by racism, we shouldn't be talking about it - even though you admit it happens? What the problem?

I won my argument when you wrote the rubbish you did about him being lazy and a shocking defender - there's plenty of facts out there that show that not to be the case.'"


Of course it happens, but you cant say that this is a major factor in they way Calderwood gets criticised by people. Of course we can discuss it on here, but surely this racism applies to every RL player of black origin?

If that is the case should we discuss racism EVERY time someone has an negative opinion about a non white players performance?

I don't rate him as a player and i think his attitude absolutely stinks. Fair enough his Stats are compatible to Pat Richard, but are you seriously comparing the two?

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Quote: tugglesf78 "Of course it happens, but you cant say that this is a major factor in they way Calderwood gets criticised by people. Of course we can discuss it on here, but surely this racism applies to every RL player of black origin?

If that is the case should we discuss racism EVERY time someone has an negative opinion about a non white players performance?'"


For a start I said it was a "small minority". I also didn't say we should discuss it everytime either. You seemed to have a problem with it being discuss at all.

Quote: tugglesf78 "I don't rate him as a player and i think his attitude absolutely stinks. Fair enough his Stats are compatible to Pat Richard, but are you seriously comparing the two?'"


And of course I've never seriously compared the two overall either. I did however compare their stats on the very areas you criticise Calderwood - being "lazy" and a "shocking defender", where Calderwood's stats are no worse and in some areas actually better than Pat. I take it you can now see the difference?

I take it you wouldn't criticise Pat as being "lazy" or a "shocking defender"? So why do it for Calderwood?

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Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "For a small minority, unfortunately yes.'"

I don't think that's the case. I agree that if they were from Wigan they wouldn't get anywhere near the same amount of jip but I don't think skin colour comes into it. If you want to talk non-rugby reasons for fans not liking Karl Pryce I'd point to his brother first.

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Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "Leeds knew how to use him - hence why he was SL top try scorer the season before he joined us. The very same season that the top NRL try scorer was a certain Pat Richards (also the season before he joined us) - and we all know how well that worked out in 2006. Basically both had coaches who didn't know how to use them properly for a few seasons.'"


Very true. When you also realise who Calderwood's centres were as well compared to who Richards and Goulding have inside them now Calderwood was on a hiding to nothing.

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Quote: jdrocket "takes one to know one!

also, I'm not thick. That isn't nice is it? i was bang on the money.'"


so if it takes one to know one but you state you arent thick is that actually a compliment to me?

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Quote: Pieman "to be fair all good wingers need pace and he had it in bucket loads. Your arguments would suggest yiou think Offiah was a bad winger as his game was based around pace. He came inside and made little ground but relieved pressure like Calderwood and their defences weren't the best.......do you think Offiah was no good too?'"





Offiah was a great winger ! But I agree with the Calderwoods fans on here, Offiah had Andrew Farrar, Gene Miles, Dean Bell, Joe Lydon, Gary Connolly, Tuigamla to name a few inside him. If Calderwood had these guys inside him, TRY TIME !

Before people jump on his defence, Offiah let tries in every week however for every try he let in he scored 2. Like I say great winger. Calderwood was no different to the likes of David Meyers ( rip ) Mark Preston etc. Raw pace !

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Quote: Grimmy "I don't think that's the case. I agree that if they were from Wigan they wouldn't get anywhere near the same amount of jip but I don't think skin colour comes into it. If you want to talk non-rugby reasons for fans not liking Karl Pryce I'd point to his brother first.'"



I think that with Karl people simply look at the size of him and see his potential, but its frustrating that he hasnt yet really developed into the player people think he can be - i don't think he did at all bad when he was given his chance in 2010 and hopefully he can kick on and improve next season.

As for Calderwood and a number of other players that played for Wigan in 2006 they lacked confidence and Calderwood expecially just didnt get the same opportunities that he did playing in a strong Leeds side.

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