Well first of all I think you need to read his quotes before posting in future. He is quite clearly sanctioning violence by his own players! He isn't saying that it's ok for his players to do the same as O'Loughlin at all. What he is saying is that if the ref doesn't make decisions according to what HE deems to be be the correct way, then he will instruct the likes of Mason to go and exact their own revenge!

Secondly he [udoes[/u have a history of this as he threatened the same retribution over in Oz when he similarly didn't like the judiciary's decision!

I don't mean to be rude here as I'm sure you're a well meaning and sensible poster, but I can't see the point in continuing this debate with someone who clearly hasn't aquainted themselves with the facts before posting.

Good luck for the rest of the season.

Apologies not seen any of the material you refer to in Aus about his past - you are better informed than me on that one - no problem. I didnt take your reply as being rude at all - I guess that is what forums are for all sorts of opinions.

Certainly no offence meant in any of my comments made on here.

Lets hope for a good game a week Sunday and likewise good luck for the season.

take the lockers incident out of the picture what he says about redhall is true . what ever you do yu know its a warning letter and a £300 pound fine is ridiculous, some incidents need to be punished harder than this and its just not happening.

i dont know why you are insisting that O'loughlin is 'one of the fairest' and as such beyond reproach when outside wigan he has quite the reputation for a head hunter, it seems your wigan bias has heavily clouded your judgement here,

saying that, its not really fair to pick a player and tackle at random and decide to make an example of them.
There is no reason, however, that the RFL couldnt use this to draw a line in the sand and say we will be on the look out for it in the next games with heavy punishments for those who transgress

so what? im no giants fan, and dont need to protect Brown, but if you think tackles like O'loughlins arent practised and the idea of putting a hit on the playmaker even if you are a late isnt a tactic openly discussed at clubs you are very very naive.

Why is Brown asking Mason et al to use other similar tactics any different?

No mate I'm not naive. I've also been watching this game for well over 20 years so trust me when I say I know the difference between putting pressure on a kicker (or passer in this case) and attempting to take someone's head off. What Brown is advocating is retribution for something [uhe[/u doesn't like, eventhough it's no different than anything else that warrants a penalty in a game. O'Loughlin was doing something that has been part of the game for as long as it's been played. If you (or he) don't like the fact that it doesn't always go perfectly then I suggest you're watching, and he's coaching, the wrong game! Are you seriously suggesting that coaches should send their players out with the instruction that whenever a decision doesn't go their way they should take retribution?

One further point. If you seriously think a late tackle is the same as sending players out with the instruction to take the law (of the game) into their own hands as you suggest in your last sentence then it's you who is naive....

i think that props putting themselves about a bit has been part of the game since it began. I think an enforcer protecting his backs may well be written into a props job description.

I think asking a prop to risk giving a penalty away via sly punch, a high tackle, a swinging arm, a bit of a facial, , maybe if at all possible provoke a fight so they can try a bit of intimidation, get a bit of retribution and maybe make O'loughlin (or any number of other players) think again before they try it, is absolutley no different to asking O'loughlin to put a hit on the playmaker whether he is late or not to try and put a bit of doubt in the playmakers mind. Its two sides of exactly the same coin

Here's Tony Smiths take on it from the Warrington Guardian. Seems like he thinks Brown was out of order making the comments and then goes on to mention our "enforcers". Makes for an interesting game come Saturday....



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Other than one is an error of timing and the other is an error of intent. If you can't tell the difference then the debate is meaningless.

Just to clarify. If I run someone over as a consequence of an error in my driving is that the same as me purposefully, willfully and deliberately setting out with the intention of running them over in your opinion?

if you run someone over through a reckless disregard for safety then yes.

If you want to pretend O'loughlin is angel who wouldnt dare throw himself into a tackle knowing full well he will likely be late then fine. I dont mind. But every team, in every league trys it, maybe Wigan are different, maybe they are making a subtle stand for the Corinthian spirit of sport and everything illegal or bit naughty they do is completely accidental, who knows

But all other 13 teams in SL do it, they will all take the risk of hitting the playmaker late to try and intimidate him and put him off his game, they will all rather hit him late than not hit him, we see it numerous times a game, asking your props to put themselves about a little in retribution is hardly something to get your knickers in a twist about, this isnt ballet

And Smith is spot on in what he says. In particular; "I can understand where he is coming from but your own backyard has to be clean to say something like that and I’m not sure that is necessarily the case." hits the nail on the head. Brown is a hypocrite, pure and simple. Dressing it up as anything else is laughable.

someone should tell the little Aussie runt we dont care about his opinion.