This is the sensible and balanced view. I suspect even Rouges subscribes to it and was simply trolling.

The lack of Hock announcement is simply poor and the excuses from the "you can only be all for" brigade are silly IMO.

The lack of a sponsor is a worrying given it's clear IL wants the club to be run as a going concern but you never know, come Friday not only will the new shirt be announced but so will the sponsprship. Or am I not allowed to suggest such a positive outcome given I have dared critisise the handling of the Hock situation in this post?

Dave

Not that it's got anything to do with us any more as a club but I thought DW was the more wealthy. He sold JJB at the right time and made a fortune. He has now bought back at a low price the fitness side of the business so still has cash in the bank from selling JJB. IL runs a relatively small software business and is a director of Sports cafe chain I thought.

In any case the important point is whatever size his business interests are he can't use them to fund Wigan. It's his own personal fortune that must come from.




I think that is debatable given what I have said above. It's accepted on these boards (and even seen as a good thing) that IL wants to run the club as a going concern. If that is true then securing a good sponsorship deal is very important and not having one is a genuine concern fans should have for very this reason.



Who is the better businessman is irrelevant. It's who has the biggest private bank balance if the owner is going to make good the lack of sponsorship, which I do not think is IL's intention anyway.

Dave

I'm not sure if anyone apart from IL, NH and the other directors know what level of sponsorship we are looking for.

If you look at the two guestimates so far



and




They are miles apart.

I would GUESS that Wigan will be looking for a deal far closer to the £230K than £80K

DaveO, I dont think it's IL's intention to bail out Wigan either. We all know that he sees Wigan as a business that can stand on it's own feet.

Having said that, what i am saying is thet if we need cash and IL can get it into the club, the fact he is wealthy is a bonus.

People who say the resession is an excuse are fortunate enough to not be working for a company struggling at the moment, and lucky them. The resession is real and companies around the world are having to look at how and where they spend money (and how much for that matter).

Finding a company who is not laying off staff and has excess money to sponsor at the moment is very difficult. You only have to look at some of the sponsors of the rivals and imagine the amount they are paying the club (not much).

We might be left in the position where we have a sponsor who pays little and is really not what we want on the shirt or go without.

If this is the case then we can count ourselves lucky that we have a millionaire owner who is very business savvy.

And finally, surely we must believe that IL is doing all he can for a sponsor. Do people really think he has ignored the problem or forgotten?

Unlikely I would say.

I don't have a particular issue with your views on the sponsorship. I too would like it to be sorted. But it really is quite pompous to classify those who are pleased at the way the club is going as 'happy clappers'.

It also appears to owe more to self-pity than rational assessment. "We get picked off by those who disagree with us". Well boo-hoo.

Let me try and explain this to you by showing you how it looks. There are certain posters on here who, during the last few months, appear to have moved robotically from one big whinge to the next. First we had 'the way Noble is being treated'. Then we had 'why have we not announced a new coach'. Then we had 'why have we not announced a new conditioner'. Then we had 'why have we not been told about Gareth Hock'. Now we've got 'why have we not sorted the sponsorship'.

In itself, this is a non-admirable trait. It implies a determination to find the next thing to complain about, which - given that the evidence thus far is that, one by one, these 'problems' have been or will be addressed - suggests that it's more about a malcontented poster than about Wigan RL. It's almost like: "My last whinge has proved to be fruitless, so I'll teach those who had more faith than me by finding another one!"

This is questionable enough, but to then complain about other fans not sharing this position and in fact mocking it, is leaning towards being totally soppy.

I suppose you could argue, at a push, that those who are positive about the club are being equally blinkered. But surely they've a right to be pleased about the new coach, the new assistant coach, the new conditioner, the fact that we're now developing a team of home-grown starlets whose future will be at Wigan? Are you really saying they are 'happy clappers' for being chuffed about this? These are all genuine reasons to feel good about being a Wigan fan at present. Compared to all that, unresolved issues around sponsorship, merchandising, Gareth Hock etc, don't stack up to much. Sure, they need to be sorted, but to get petulant about them is very unimpressive.

I alluded to that on another thread.

I don't think we should take a very low offer of sponsorship and say that's the best we can get.
It could do damage in the long run. I know from past experience that once a "buyer" gets you to cut your price it's very difficult to get your pricing back to what it should be. In fact they will attempt to "chip away" even further in future years.

We are in difficult times, so it is very important that the correct decision is made, [iand that may be[/i (I'm not saying it is) to go without a main shirt sponsor for this season.

I find these two statements contradictory. He can't run it as a business if IL is going "get it (cash) into the club" from elsewhere. Where is he going to get it from?

When he took over there were posts on here about him being very wealthy so our spending power would be undiminished compared to Whelan, which basically meant dipping into his own pocket to fund the club. Then when it became apparent he was not going to sub it, it became fashionable to see it being run as a going concern as a good thing.

If it's going to be run as a going concern the club needs the sponsorship is what I am saying.

If he IS going to sub it because we do not have a sponsor then lets not have this attitude displayed by some that shouts down any suggestions he should dip into his pocket every now and again to fund the clubs spending.



I agree but that doesn't mean Wigan RL don't need the money.



He can be as business savvy as you like but if we don't get a sponsor and IL sticks to the club standing on its own two feet then that's a problem.



No and who suggested he had?

Dave

yes i am real

re- fiascos.
non show of players at junior coaching camps, non shows at junior tournys, last seasons shirt out late (resulting in lost revenue for warriors/IL) , this seasons sponsorship (or lack of), shirts may or may not be out for crimbo......shall i go on?

all this leads to kids (the future) not bothering watching warriors, seeing that they seem warriors cant be bothered making an effort for them= loss of income for IL in the long term.

ok...i agree with a lot of you that all DW ever did was for the sake of DW making a few quid, but thats my original point.
IL is missing lots of tricks to make a few quid, which is why hes below DW in the business mans pecking order.

If IL has all this more money than Whelan surely he can afford to build you your own ground?


Although to be honest anybody with the use of a single brain cell (even just on a loan basis) knows that what you have written is absolute rubbish.

Why do we need to have our own ground? We get a better deal financial from using the DW, and as long as the playoff mess doesn't happen again then whats the problem with it?

I think the point was that IL doesn't have a bottomless pit of money to finance building us a ground. And probably for that reason, he is happy to tell us staying at the DW is the better option.

Were laughing all the way with the deal we have with the DW.

Why change when were on to a real winner ?

plus the powers that be will not allow a xecond stadium in the town.

Did Simon Moran build Warringtons ground?
How much money does he have?