Noble took over a good team. Potter didn't.
Noble did really well over a number of years at Bradford.
Potter performed minor miracles at Catalans to take them where he did. Just look how Walters has done this year with arguably a stronger squad.

When it comes to this particular issue, the coach, IL is operating under the exact same constraints as Mo was. None.

There is no salary cap that affects coaches so going on about Mo and the cap as regards this issue is irrelevant.

Mo would have probably sacked Noble after the loss to Celtic. Would you have complained if IL had? I doubt it.

Under Mo the situation would have been sorted by now IMO and if it wasn't and we were in the situation we are in with the coach, the lynch mob would have been out for Mo by now.

I think its a bit hypocritical the way IL is given all this leeway. It's not as if in his short time in charge IL has been particularly great is it? Poor signings in the most part and persisted with a poor coach. He has got the right idea with the youth side of it so its not all bad but it isn't universal brilliance either.

We are coming to the end of Mo's influence on the club in terms of the squad and so IL's excuses for not delivering a good squad and a good coach are coming to an end as well. The honeymoon period is over and he needs to start delivering. That isn't an implied criticism either, its just a fact he has got to start doing so and the coach situation is the first real test.

Dave

Potter bought into the french thing and used that to his advantage. Walters brought in Perry who at best is his mate from Aus, went all out to get Bird and bizzarely made him captain and generally seemed to want to play players in different positions each week.

Potter has problems at Saints because their board wont buy the players they need and he has to deal with the loss of Long and future losses of Cunningham & Wellens, all off the back of the fans already having written him off.

Yep, as I alluded to before.

I was just improving your point

Who said anything about wanting rumour form the club? No me. So that leaves you with one point. "We don't need to know until it is finalised. "

The problem with this is we have Noble going to the press saying he does not know what his future is but everyone has assumed, including Noble he won't be here next year. Therefore these rumours you say you do not like are rife because the club won't make an announcement and Noble is talking to the press. Ironic isn't it.

One dead simple way to stop the rumours over Nobles future. "Brian Noble's contract won't be renewed next year and an announcement will be made in due course who the new coach will be".

I have yet to see a convincing argument against such a move.

Would it fuel speculation over who the new coach is? That speculation is already there.

Would it upset any other club? No, because no one is being named as new coach but the speculation goes on anyway so no change there either.

Would it upset Noble? He can hardly be upset about something he has concluded is the case anyway.

What about the players? Well they are supposed to know and they have their coach saying in the press he expects to be leaving so some certainly might not go amiss there either.

So what positives would there be to announcing Noble is going?

It would stop the Sky muppets having a pop at Wigan for keeping Noble hanging on.

It is always mentioned that Noble has not got deal in just about every match report or bit of news concerning the club. That would stop.

Noble himself is free to pursue other interests if he has not already and won't be constanly being asked about his future at the club.

Noble deserves the situation clarifying and that means an official announcement then he doesn't have to keep fending off the questions.

It keeps the fans informed and , shock horror, doing so is actually a good thing in itself.

Dave

I wish you'd stop defending Mo's record, Dave. It doesn't give you any credibility. He really screwed up in his final years at Wigan, and you were as frustrated by that as any of us.

Like IFL or loathe him, but for Heaven's sake, don't keep talking as if Mo would have done things better. He was very dynamic the first time round, but the second time he supervised a decline that nearly ended in oblvion. It could be argued that the new guy hasn't yet had sufficient time to steady the sinking ship that Mo and Whelan left behind them.

Fully agreed, but that is an entirely different issue to him "potentially" making a hash of the coaching situation, and the longer it goes and the speculation grows, announcing Wane really does imo look like IL has made a mess of it.

See my response on the other thread.

Time to merge these two arguments into one, I think.

It seems the lack of Saints trolls on here since their demise began has got us turning on each other. Very unhealthy.

What has that got to do with the point you highlighted? Yes he screwed up with the salary cap but on n the coaching issue I think Mo would have handled it as I said and I think that would have been the right way to do it.



This coaching is one single issue and nothing to do with any sinking ships. IMO Mo would have handled this issue better. Noble would have gone after Celtic and you can't convince me keeping him on since that game has done any good at all.

I am sure by the time the Celtic game came around Mo would have had someone lined up due to the fact we had lost so many early season games and that would have been the end of Noble as Mo tried to salvage the season. As I mentioned to Jonh had that happened he and many others would have been quite happy if IL had handled this in a Mo like way.

Dave