Agree with this. I said a few months ago I thought it would be a good idea to spell Micky with Logan/Sam Powell at the beginning of the season to save him a bit (and give game time to those 2) and then start to use him for 80 minutes with 4 forwards on the bench at the "business" end. I don't know if that's what SW's plan is but I hope it is. The drop in our attack when LT comes on is very obvious and could cost us in big games. I'm not writing Logan off at this stage btw, he is young and still learning, I just don't think he has justified a place in the first choice 17, and an extra forward on the bench with McIlorum playing 80 would benefit the team much better IMO.

Spot on for me...

MM is my player of the season this year closely followed by SOL.

people say he gives too ill disciplined and gives away too many penalties.

He's 35th overall in the league for penalties conceded. below a lot of supposed whiter than white charachters.

IMHO Mickey Mac is top class, and to compare him to Lunt based on stats is wrong, Mcilorums job is to take a couple of steps from dummy half to engage defenders then move the ball on. Lunt regularly runs from dummy half so will score more tries and create more assists because of all this.

He's behind quite a few hookers in SL for me but he does a good job and I do like his agression because as others have alluded to, we lack this (I happen to think the best way to beat us is to play a big pack and house us). Last season when he got himself red carded and banned from the whole play offs over a cowardly cheap shot in a nothing game I called him rotten but he does a lot more good than bad. I'd play him for 80 at Wembley with Hampshire taking the extra bench spot.

No, you're right. Apart from hte 8 times as many tries, 3 times as many assists, more tackles, twice as many metres made, 4 times as many busts, more kicks in play, more clean breaks, more marker tackles, more offloads, less missed tackles and more carries Lunt is not a patch on MM. Those couple of steps from dummy half make all the difference.

Keep Logan away from the first team and we'll be right. He's like a turnstile in defence, Brett Ferres highlighted that fact last Friday despite the pass being forward yes I know

350 tackles in 16 games (most of which he's coming off the bench playing less than half a game) isn't too bad for a turnstile. I bet he mustaverage 2 tackles a set when he's on. I'd drop him and play Hampshire off the bench but I do think you're being a bit harsh

Yeah I mean if you're gonna have a go at Logan at least get your facts straight. His defence is actually pretty decent, probably the best of all of the "ball playing" young players in if team, but he probably offers the least in attack.

The tackle stats are given even if you contribute 3rd man to a tackle with 2 props. He misses SO many one on one tackles and teams target it.

Soz opta How do you explain him being 7th on our tackle count despite only playing 20-30 mins a game, and not being picked for quite a few? He very obviously has a very high work rate in defence. Perhaps he's trying to do too much while he's only on for a short spell, which is seeing him occasionally get caught out

Logan does seem to miss a lot of one of ones for me, perhaps the stats suggest otherwise, but i'd much rather concentrate on what he's actually doing rather than compare his stats against mickeys and then his against lunt etc like a game of real life top trumps!
logan has offered little in attack during his limited game time for me and this is the reason i much prefer mickey at present. we have seemed to go nowhere of late when mickey has been off, yet i remember logans first few games well and he looked a great prospect. not sure whats happened!
mickeys aggression and therefore the occasional brain fart have their pro's and con's but he's still a country mile ahead of logan for me and why the hell is higham playing so damn well these days?!!
still say we got rid of the wrong tomkins (joel) though!!!

He looks like a midget trying to tackle a giant most of the time and gets driven back.

He's a willing worker is Logan Tomkins but he's not got the physical attributes to be a top superleague player.

There's still time for him yet. He's improved loads over the past couple of seasons and he will bulk out. IMO there's a lot more to come from Logan.

Quote: Mash Butty "Hes one of many players who can carry an injury because its not incapacitating him like SOL's injury. No doubt his knee his killing him but what other choice is there? Logan for 80 mins? Thats a frightening thought. Do you think he is fit? I often wonder what some fans are thinking about'" www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.aspx?id=8592&type=news 5-6 players shouldnt have been playing says eveything about our current form and over reaction from the fans. The abuse Prescott got over the last couple of years was embarassing, can fans not spot the players who are injured but turn up because they have to? Lets not give MM any more grief and appreciate him a little more......

Quote: Mash Butty "Hes one of many players who can carry an injury because its not incapacitating him like SOL's injury. No doubt his knee his killing him but what other choice is there? Logan for 80 mins? Thats a frightening thought. Do you think he is fit? I often wonder what some fans are thinking about'" www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.aspx?id=8592&type=news 5-6 players shouldnt have been playing says eveything about our current form and over reaction from the fans. The abuse Prescott got over the last couple of years was embarassing, can fans not spot the players who are injured but turn up because they have to? Lets not give MM any more grief and appreciate him a little more......