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| You could be playing Fev at the iconic POR in Feb instead of us.
RFL needs a major overhaul.
To realise the value in any business you need to understand your strengths and sell them to the marketplace. We seem to have a policy of ignoring our strengths, indeed we often seem embarassed by them, in favour of pipedreams that cannot succeed.
We have a great product and a customer base greater than Wales, Scotland or Ireland to sell it to, indeed the greater heartlands are as big as all three combined.
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| Quote CyberPieMan="CyberPieMan"I can't see this as anything but short-sighted. Not only will it likely send them bust, but Sale won't be able to run that stadium on their own, and any leisure or additional retail development on that side of Barton bridge will surely come to a grinding halt too. Perhaps they're just more interested in the wendyballers down the road??
Having said that, I think it [iwas [/ia mistake to move so far from Weaste, anyone know what their attendances before & after the move were?
[edit: i sit corrected, their avg attendance actually went up 16% between 2011 & 12: which makes the decision even more bizarre'"
Sorry CPM I think that your post is complete and utter nonsense from start to finish. What has Salford's situation and specifically their relationship with the City Council got to do wth "wendyballers down the road"? Totally unconnected.
Sale might in the short term offer salvation from a stadium viability veiw point, better to have one paying tenant rather than none. Two would obviously be ideal generating year round income.
Peel's aspirations for this area will not be halted as the opportunity to develop along the Ship Canal from Salford Quays to Liverpool of which this site is a small part can't be tied to the (mis)fortunes of Salford City Reds.
It would be interesting to know how the increase in attendance was achieved before stating whether it was bizarre or not? A large proportion of away fans adding a new ground to their list, unsubstainable promotional offers to home supporters to soften the blow of a move from Weaste might affect any business plan going forward?
BTW I take no delight in the situation at Salford
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| Quote Pieman="Pieman"they said they were helping out with a support package which included help in the office and [ufinancial support[/u. Sounds like cash to me'"
Yes, cash for the development work Harlequins/Broncos were doing down south which is what I said. The RFL were taking on more of those responsibilities rather than just giving the club money.
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| Quote Uncle Rico="Uncle Rico"wendyballers'" I question the council's commitment to RL
Quote Uncle Rico="Uncle Rico"better to have one paying tenant rather than none'" Agreed, however if Sale continue in their current fashion for any length of time, will [ithey [/ibe a viable long-term proposition?
Quote Uncle Rico="Uncle Rico"Peel's aspirations for this area will not be halted'" Fair enough, but as Peel also co-own the stadium will they want to have a large white elephant in the middle of any additional development (if it does end up being empty for half the year)?
Quote Uncle Rico="Uncle Rico"increase in attendance'" again, agreed. was it home supporters or away that lifted the numbers? Either way, given that there [iwas [/ian increase and at least some attempt being made to consolidate it by SCR's management, where is the logic in the council pulling the rug from under them? They quote the privations of the times, but surely they could concede that you often need to spend money to make some? Which sends me back to questioning their commitment to one sport at the expense of another. With MU's retail expansion plans affecting large chunks of nearby Trafford, have they got one green eye on trying to cash in?
Quote Uncle Rico="Uncle Rico"BTW I take no delight in the situation at Salford'" me neither
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| Quote CyberPieMan="CyberPieMan"I question the council's commitment to RL
CyberPieMan, still think most of your commentary is either simplistic or plain wrong, (apart from the not taking delight in the current situation).
In summary,and in response to your opening point above, according to the Salford board (forum not club) they already owe £1.5 million before taking account of this next wedge. Apart from building them a ground, don't you think the Council through the good burghers of Salford have supported the club in its current set up enough?
One Scarlet Turkey correspondent has managed to work out that this latest £750k is only equivalent to 5p per citizens' poll tax, which admittedly is easily defendable in these uncertain times?
However, what this does throw up is given such a large population/ potential fan base, I would have thought that the question you raise could have more accurately read, "I question the people of Salford's commitment to RL"
Good luck to Salford but unless there is some devine intervention.....
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| Quote Uncle Rico="Uncle Rico"
'One Scarlet Turkey correspondent has managed to work out that this latest £750k is only equivalent to 5p per citizens' poll tax, which admittedly is easily defendable in these uncertain times?'
I hope he isn't a club bean counter by trade, if so its no wonder they are in the smelly stuff - the citizens required to raise the £750k at 5p a head is 15 million, and that assumes they all pay the council tax
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| the thing with the united reserves might have some legs if the stadium isn't paying, i know a couple or so years back they where looking at the LSV as an option, the SCS would be a good base for them and peel will take money off anyone who's willing to pay them
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| I hope so. Don't want to see any RL clubs in this position and that includes Wire and Saints (well, I'd chuckle at first)
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| Quote maurice="maurice"
Thanks Maurice, it's also a good thing that I'm not the club's auditor ha ha
Whether the poster was simplistically referring to a small amount I'm not sure, but, in reality it is a shame that Salford are in this situation and can't muster more support from such a large population.
Perhaps the club suffer as part of the 'identity crisis' that Salford has as a city? A large population spread out over a large area in series of self defined boroughs, no city centre, a town hall in Swinton, settlements stretching from Cadishead to Broughton and all points in between.... a difficult place to manage and presumably a tough place to market RL in.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Yes, cash for the development work Harlequins/Broncos were doing down south which is what I said. The RFL were taking on more of those responsibilities rather than just giving the club money.'"
money is money. Maybe the RL should try and invest in the area where they have the the potential to link up or tap into the largest sporting team in the world (man utd). A lot of their ex and current players are RL supporters.
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| Quote Pieman="Pieman"money is money. Maybe the RL should try and invest in the area where they have the the potential to link up or tap into the largest sporting team in the world (man utd). A lot of their ex and current players are RL supporters.'"
That would be huge, fans would go just for the connection. Is Maurice Watkins still on the board of the RFL? He is/was also a director of MUFC.
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"That would be huge, fans would go just for the connection. Is Maurice Watkins still on the board of the RFL? He is/was also a director of MUFC.'"
He's just been appointed the head of UK swimming i think
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